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Location: Apparently where the Muskie aren't | I know the weight of the swivel can inhibit the action of a glide bait. I've heard a lot of ways that people go around that problem like eliminating the swivel or using heat shrink (not really sure what the heat shrink does). Does floro or wire work better? If you guys could explain how you rig/make your leaders for glide baits that would be great. If you could include a photo that would be even better. Thanks. |
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| Hi,Matt.
There are a lot of threads and discussions about leader and leader materials. You can find them on " search " section.
Instead of a swivel you can use a solid ring ( it works very well for both piano/single wire and fluoro leaders ).
After to have crimped and/or tied the leader of you choice ,you can block solid ring and snap with a piece of heat shrink tube ( as a finiture ).
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Location: Yahara River Chain | Single strand with the diameter of .029 and 174 lb test. Looped at the tie end and a solid ring at the other. Attach to the bait via split ring that stays on the bait,
To make these I will try to attach a file i did for muskie school.
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 Leader Article 1.pdf (111KB - 760 downloads)
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Location: Scandia MN | I use a 12 inch Spro wire leader with the swivel snipped off - I've found weight is not as important as stiffness for my applications - Works well for my Phantoms and other gliders - Simple effective and not overly expensive plus they a pretty much indestructible - - - - - |
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Location: oswego, il | Leader weight becomes more critical the smaller and lighter the glidebaits are. I use a 100lb flouro leader with a solid ring at the line tie. I also use a solid wire. 105lb for small gliders and 174lb for bigger ones. I tie directly to the loop of the wire, no ring. I only use a swivel for bucktails. |
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Location: central Wisconsin | Go solid wire with no swivel. When the wire kinks replace it. |
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| Jeff78 - 2/4/2017 2:17 PM
Go solid wire with no swivel. When the wire kinks replace it.
A split ring on the lure, is that how you attach? |
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Location: central Wisconsin | No, I use stay lok snaps. I don't have the patience to thread a split ring every time I change baits. I do put split rings on all my baits though as I buy them. |
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Location: Apparently where the Muskie aren't | It sounds like most of you do a solid ring between the mainline and leader wire, and then a split ring between the wire leader and the lure. Does that sound right?
Also, do you guys prefer longer or shorter leaders? |
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Location: central Wisconsin | Mine is as follows; line>split ring>solid wire>stay lok snap>split ring attached to my bait. Probably eight inch leaders otherwise they kink too easily. I don't use flourocarbon on jerk, glides bacause if I get too much swing or glide the front hook will catch the flouro. |
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| Jeff78 - 2/4/2017 3:17 PM
Mine is as follows; line>split ring>solid wire>stay lok snap>split ring attached to my bait. Probably eight inch leaders otherwise they kink too easily. I don't use flourocarbon on jerk, glides bacause if I get too much swing or glide the front hook will catch the flouro.
Thanks. Last year was the first time I really used glide baits and had some luck with them, but not really sure how to rig. |
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| I've found that some gliders react differently to different leaders. What I've found is straight wire with a stay loc. No ring on the other end. Had several bait makers tell me this is what to use. I tried a traditional with snap and swivel or ring, and baits didn't glide. |
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Location: Yahara River Chain | I use mainline>leader>solid ring>split ring>bait
If I use a heavier wire like .035, I wont use a solid ring as the wire is thick enough to not finagle through the split ring.
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Location: Apparently where the Muskie aren't | I'm sorry if theirs is a dumb question, but is the wire that you are talking about stiff almost like wire that you make buck tails out of or is it flexible like a normal leader?
Also, for you you guys who go straight from line to leader with out a ring, do you just make a loop in the leader? |
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Location: central Wisconsin | Stiff like a bucktail |
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Location: Apparently where the Muskie aren't | Ok thanks, then do you just twist a loop into it and use that to tie your line into |
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Location: central Wisconsin | Basically yes, just like the top half of a bucktail. |
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Location: Apparently where the Muskie aren't | Can I just use bucktail wire (.051) to make it or would I be better off with a small size. If so where can I find a smaller size? |
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Location: Yahara River Chain | is the wire that you are talking about stiff almost like wire that you make buck tails out of or is it flexible like a normal leader?
Stiff like piano wire
for you you guys who go straight from line to leader with out a ring, do you just make a loop in the leader?
Like was said a small loop is used and tied to that. No need for a solid ring to tie to,
Can I just use bucktail wire (.051) to make it or would I be better off with a small size. If so where can I find a smaller size?
No that stuff is way too heavy and stiff. Moore Lures, Musky Shop, Thorne Bros, etc. Might also be able to get it at Gander or Cabela's. |
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| american fishing wire toothproof is the stuff |
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| I think what toddm said is pretty spot on. I find that smaller, lighter gliders of around 4oz or less need single strand wire leader. I tie my main line directly to wire loop, no split ring, and use a stay lock snap on the other end. For heavier gliders of about 5oz and up it doesnt really matter as much and you can get away with a heavy flouro leader with a ball bearing, and it will still work fine. That being said the rod i use for gliders, jerkbaits, and topwater wtd is rigged with the single strand leader mentioned above, and works well for all applications ive mentioned, and also its good for smaller lighter crank/twitch baits which sometimes dont run good with a heavier flouro leader. |
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | A great read. I am interested on what size split ring people use on glide/jerbaits/twitchbaits? |
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Location: NE Ohio | #7's on the splits, buchers work great for me and #5 solid welded are the ones i use from stealth tackle. |
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| pklingen - 2/6/2017 5:56 AM #7's on the splits, buchers work great for me and #5 solid welded are the ones i use from stealth tackle. Ditto. |
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Location: Scandia MN | Can I just use bucktail wire (.051) to make it or would I be better off with a small size. If so where can I find a smaller size?
I've tried this several times with mixed results - Works OK on larger gliders but expect to experience the "Law of Diminishing Returns" as you downsize - - - - |
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| Mason Wire. Single-strand stainless, pre-straightened, Made in Michigan, and has never let me down. Excellent stuff. I use the brown color in 0.024, 0.026 and 0.029 in. dia. for my leaders. Inexpensive, too. Get the 1/4-lb coil for $10-$12. http://www.masontackle.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=155 |
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Location: NE Ohio | ^^^^^^^^^^ YEP. i use the brown 174# in the 1/4 lb. coils. |
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Location: Waukee, IA | tbaatz - 2/6/2017 11:06 AM
Can I just use bucktail wire (.051) to make it or would I be better off with a small size. If so where can I find a smaller size?
I've tried this several times with mixed results - Works OK on larger gliders but expect to experience the "Law of Diminishing Returns" as you downsize - - - -
Wire that heavy will change the lure balance, buoyancy and action. |
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