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Location: Shawano, Wi | How does everyone attach their line to their leaders. |
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Location: MN | I use either a Bucher power knot with an added knot (forget the name) about a foot above the leader so there is double line for the last foot or so; or i use a super uni knot. |
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Location: Minnesota. | The search feature...
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| I use the double uni-knot, when the fluorocarbon leader doesn't have a swivel and is tied directly to the braid. |
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Location: Detroit River | Palomar |
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Location: On the water | Palomar, very easy to tie and never had a failure. |
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | Mdamp104 - 3/30/2016 9:49 AM
How does everyone attach their line to their leaders.
The are about as many opinions as there are fisherman.
Mostly, I use a nail knot, using Magnum Tie-Fast Knot Tyer (saltwater version)! I also use back to back nail knots for braid to flouro direct connection. If you're worried about strength, add a drop of knot glue or super glue w/ line & knot under tension, flick your finger on the tensioned line, the excess super glue is gone. I usually do this part over a piece of cardboard.
I also tie Tiger Leader material with it and up to 180 lb flouro..I have also tied nail knot's using a larger tool I made for using 0.80 weedeater line for my "drag/catch" main lines on my crayfish traps, minnow traps..to floats and weights and also for my set line's main runs to the stakes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=611JWRtkjOc
I do tie a modified Palomar if no tools are available, it just takes a while to tie it, its a palomar with a clinch.
Have fun!
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Location: Illinois | palomar knot, super tough and you can tie it in the dark |
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Location: Otsego, MN | Trilene knot.. Never had an issue. |
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| I use a spider hitch to create 18 - 24" of double line, then an offshore swivel knot to connect the leader. This way if one of the double lines get cut the other holds. Also you can feel the spider hitch when it hits the tip so you know when to go into your 8. |
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Location: St. Lawrence River | San Diego Jam knot.. |
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Location: Minnesota. | Jack Crawford knot. |
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Location: North of Sweden! | I basically only use this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJkXuh6FyLI
This knot has NEVER failed me, at all, no matter what I've put it through. Like NOTHING, have had 4oz baits slung hard and stopped dead in the air due to me messing up and overrunning several times and never had anything snap off or even look remotely fatigued. Pulled smaller trees from the bottom of rivers as well (guessing I'd be able to lift way bigger stuff but the trebles usually, luckily that is, straightens before having to do that... :D ).
Weeell, now it sounds like I am just useless at handling myself at the water (kinda true I guess :D ) but as a land-tied (no boat or cash for that) poor sucker, at times I end up in difficult situations, no excuses though!
I can and readily will admit that I am basically "The Jerk" (and this, if not clear due to people on here being to young to have seen it, is in reference to the movie from -79 with the same name and Steve Martin in the lead) at the water... :D there's just no two ways about it! :D
And, though the knot might look difficult at first, is actually very easy to tie, the "parts" of the knot are just super-simple, just a bit time-consuming.
A pro with this knot is that for me using a 6' rod and often quite long leaders I can still easily cast and reel the knot in and out of the rings.
Though, I'd say it depends on what kind of leaders you are using, I basically only ever use mono and make them myself.
If I use a leader of steel or titanium where I'd have loops at both ends (or have swivels in both ends) I usually go with the palomar.
tight lines!
/peter
Edited by PikePeter 6/22/2016 1:45 AM
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| Palomar all the way. Zero failures in many many hours of big bait tossing. |
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Location: 31 | Pedro - 4/1/2016 3:43 PM Trilene knot.. Never had an issue. x2 fast, strong, and very easy.
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Location: 31 | For trolling I use 50lb monofilament and the improved Clinch Knot, these knots will not work with super lines though. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | line to line = FG Knot
line to barrel swivel = knot sure what it's called but it's never, ever failed me ... |
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| with my hands mainly, I have also bought a rod and reel with line on it that had a leader on it, not sure how they did it |
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Location: Northern Wisconsin | Palomar |
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| Palomar. Been musky fishing for almost 20 years and never had it fail.
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Location: NW WI | Double Palomar. It's probably the same as the Palomar's that have been mentioned here. Just use a loop of two lines instead of one. |
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| Palomar. If it ever fails, I'll try something else.
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| I too use the Palomar. Very easy. |
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Location: Waukee, IA | I use mostly the trilene knot, but also Palomar knot occasionally. Never had either break or slip. |
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Location: Wisconsin | 30 years using a Trilene knot, never has failed once. |
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Location: West Central Wisconsin | Palomar for me too. North American Fishing Club did a knot study a few years back. The Palomar wasn't the strongest knot, but in testing, the knot strength exceeds line strength and didn't require a PhD to tie it.
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| There is no perfect knot, each one had benefits and drawbacks. For example, the Palomar is one of the easiest to tie, but it's break point is only 91% of the line strength. The Trilene is also one of the most common and easiest to tie but will slip if used on superbraids and the break point is only 87% of the line strength. Both the Uni knot and the San Diego Jam have a high break strength of 94% of the line strength but both are more difficult to tie. Most good anglers know several different knots and use the best for whatever situation they find themselves in. Also keep in mind testing break strength of a knot and shock break strength as frequently encountered in real life fishing situations can be very different.
I personally use the Double Uni knot for tying larger test superbraids to leaders for musky fishing, the Double Trilene knot for monofilament applications and the Palomar when using smaller diameter superbraids for walleyes or bass. When tying my 80 pound superbraid to the 17 pound mono backing on my musky reels I use a double uni to double uni knot as I believe it has the best break strength when tying similar diameter lines together (80 lb suoerbraid has the same diameter as 17 lb mono which is why I use it for backing). Bottom line is there really is no right or wrong answer you just need to use what you are comfortable with and meets your criteria (ease of tying, break strength, etc) |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | Fishing Fool knot |
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I always tell folks that the best knot is the one you can tie in the dark in 40 seconds. For beach tarpon the connection I use is called an improved bristol, and unfortunately every tutorial I've seen on this knot is dead wrong. I typically use 30/40lb spectra + 60lb flourocarbon. I know you guys use heavier stuff, and occasionally so do I. I'll use a section of 40lb mono to connect my braid, the use a blood knot to connect heavier flouro to that section of 40. As for the bristol itself, it starts with a surgeon's loop. Every tutorial I've seen says I should be using a bimini to double the line, which is kinda silly. The bimini is a good knot for providing a little extra stretch protecting lighter class leaders, but when you tie one in a material like spectra which has no stretch, it's just a big bulky mess that does absolutely nothing. The bristol itself is a very simple knot with a very small profile. I build the majority of my rods with #6 running guides, and I can bring the knot inside the tip without worrying about it hanging up. To tie it, take the tag end of your mono/flouro and pass it through your surgeon's loop. While keeping your loop pinched open make 5 passes down around the loop, then 4 passes up, then pass your tag end back through the loop the opposite side that you went in. Don't pull the tag end. When you're ready to cinch it down, pull from behind the double line. It'll lock if you did it right, it'll pull right out if you didn't. I fish at night for fish that are 90lbs or better on custom wood plugs that aren't easy to replace. I also have 3 counties that have depended on my knots for almost 8 years. This one is proven. If I can find someone to help me do a video I'll post it up. |
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| Shellback - 7/5/2016 11:55 AM I always tell folks that the best knot is the one you can tie in the dark in 40 seconds. For beach tarpon the connection I use is called an improved bristol, and unfortunately every tutorial I've seen on this knot is dead wrong. I typically use 30/40lb spectra + 60lb flourocarbon. I know you guys use heavier stuff, and occasionally so do I. I'll use a section of 40lb mono to connect my braid, the use a blood knot to connect heavier flouro to that section of 40. As for the bristol itself, it starts with a surgeon's loop. Every tutorial I've seen says I should be using a bimini to double the line, which is kinda silly. The bimini is a good knot for providing a little extra stretch protecting lighter class leaders, but when you tie one in a material like spectra which has no stretch, it's just a big bulky mess that does absolutely nothing. The bristol itself is a very simple knot with a very small profile. I build the majority of my rods with #6 running guides, and I can bring the knot inside the tip without worrying about it hanging up. To tie it, take the tag end of your mono/flouro and pass it through your surgeon's loop. While keeping your loop pinched open make 5 passes down around the loop, then 4 passes up, then pass your tag end back through the loop the opposite side that you went in. Don't pull the tag end. When you're ready to cinch it down, pull from behind the double line. It'll lock if you did it right, it'll pull right out if you didn't. I fish at night for fish that are 90lbs or better on custom wood plugs that aren't easy to replace. I also have 3 counties that have depended on my knots for almost 8 years. This one is proven. If I can find someone to help me do a video I'll post it up. I believe that's what's called the "improved Bristol knot". Here's a vid: https://youtu.be/70wSxW5IMxE |
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| Chemi - 7/5/2016 7:01 PM
Shellback - 7/5/2016 11:55 AM I always tell folks that the best knot is the one you can tie in the dark in 40 seconds. For beach tarpon the connection I use is called an improved bristol, and unfortunately every tutorial I've seen on this knot is dead wrong. I typically use 30/40lb spectra + 60lb flourocarbon. I know you guys use heavier stuff, and occasionally so do I. I'll use a section of 40lb mono to connect my braid, the use a blood knot to connect heavier flouro to that section of 40. As for the bristol itself, it starts with a surgeon's loop. Every tutorial I've seen says I should be using a bimini to double the line, which is kinda silly. The bimini is a good knot for providing a little extra stretch protecting lighter class leaders, but when you tie one in a material like spectra which has no stretch, it's just a big bulky mess that does absolutely nothing. The bristol itself is a very simple knot with a very small profile. I build the majority of my rods with #6 running guides, and I can bring the knot inside the tip without worrying about it hanging up. To tie it, take the tag end of your mono/flouro and pass it through your surgeon's loop. While keeping your loop pinched open make 5 passes down around the loop, then 4 passes up, then pass your tag end back through the loop the opposite side that you went in. Don't pull the tag end. When you're ready to cinch it down, pull from behind the double line. It'll lock if you did it right, it'll pull right out if you didn't. I fish at night for fish that are 90lbs or better on custom wood plugs that aren't easy to replace. I also have 3 counties that have depended on my knots for almost 8 years. This one is proven. If I can find someone to help me do a video I'll post it up. I believe that's what's called the "improved Bristol knot". Here's a vid: https://youtu.be/70wSxW5IMxE
It is. That's why I called it an improved bristol at the beginning of the post, lol! That's actually the best video I've seen, once you get some practice it's quick too. Thanks for posting that up. It also helps if you cinch it down in one fluid motion, without pulling the tag end. |
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| I use an Fg knot tied line to line and put the swivel next to the lure. It's over twice as strong as tying a Palomar to a swivel. for night fishing it's great as it allows you to wind the knot into the guides and not worry about damaging your rod with the swivel. As soon as you feel the knot start your figure 8. The knot is very small in diameter as no wraps are required by the flouro leader. I use 50 lb braid in saltwater and have no problems applying over 20lbs of drag.
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| Palomar. Did a little test once to see how strong the knot would be. Nothing was better or even close to Palomar.
Now if I'm tying line to line or flouro to braid? Blood knot, which I think is also a surgeon's knot. |
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Location: Minnetonka MN | Palomar, hands down. Super tough, no slippage and no breakage. I watched Dan Altman burn the tail with a lighter for an even safer version. |
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Location: Waukee, IA | How many of you guys burn the tag end to make a "ball" in lieu of fraying line? I do on every knot I tie with braid. I've never had a knot slip down to the melted ball, but I still do it out of paranoia. |
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Location: Already Gone | The Joe Bucher Power Knot. |
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| tkuntz - 7/7/2016 11:30 AM
How many of you guys burn the tag end to make a "ball" in lieu of fraying line? I do on every knot I tie with braid. I've never had a knot slip down to the melted ball, but I still do it out of paranoia.
Never, just sharp scissors.. lots of big muskies and 100Lb + fish that pull 10x what any muskie would. |
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Location: Ames, Iowa | I use an improved clinch knot and I take the line through the eye of the hook 2x before counting 5 loops on the knot. |
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