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esoxaddict77
Posted 5/14/2014 10:45 AM (#711483)
Subject: trolling bucktails




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Location: minnesota
Does anyone use clip on weights ahead of the lure to get the DCG bucktail down to the desired trolling depth? I believe I saw Jim S. use these on an episode. Any other suggested techniques to get the DCG down deeper while trolling?
MD75
Posted 5/14/2014 2:34 PM (#711505 - in reply to #711483)
Subject: Re: trolling bucktails





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Location: Sycamore, IL
The few times that I've trolled blades I have used a 3oz round weight with a staylock attached at the swivel on my 4" trolling leader. This kept the blades from blowing out at 3.5 mph. I am going to play around with this more this season and have a small down rigger that I want to try and run a dbl10 way down deep with! Might be able to get it to work with a Dipsy cranked real tight as well...
Chain Gang
Posted 5/14/2014 3:05 PM (#711508 - in reply to #711483)
Subject: Re: trolling bucktails




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I use a clip on weight. Usually 4oz about 4ft ahead of a trolling girl
maxpower
Posted 5/16/2014 3:23 PM (#711791 - in reply to #711483)
Subject: Re: trolling bucktails




Posts: 16


Location: NE Ohio
I've run them on downriggers with a heavy tension release.
cave run legend
Posted 5/16/2014 3:50 PM (#711794 - in reply to #711508)
Subject: Re: trolling bucktails





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Chain Gang - 5/14/2014 4:05 PM

I use a clip on weight. Usually 4oz about 4ft ahead of a trolling girl


I think with a 4oz weight its 1/5 of length of line to depth at around 3.5mph. Example, 1 100' of line out is around 20' deep.
loloskin
Posted 5/16/2014 5:10 PM (#711801 - in reply to #711483)
Subject: Re: trolling bucktails




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Anyone use the spanky bait keel weight system? Looks interesting.
Chain Gang
Posted 5/16/2014 5:26 PM (#711802 - in reply to #711483)
Subject: Re: trolling bucktails




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Cave Run that sounds close, I troll it with 40ft of line at slightly higher speeds and thing I get around 6 fow
R code
Posted 5/16/2014 9:21 PM (#711817 - in reply to #711483)
Subject: Re: trolling bucktails




Posts: 270


Location: SE WISCONSIN
I saw an episode of hunt for big fish with larry dahlberg where he put a clip on a power pole or tallon I cant remember and cliped his line to a quick release to troll blades at 8 ft when the fish hit it the line released from power pole.
woodieb8
Posted 5/17/2014 6:10 AM (#711832 - in reply to #711483)
Subject: Re: trolling bucktails




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inline weights just ahead of a 5ft trollin leader. more weight more depth,minus speed and line length.
SpencerBerman
Posted 5/17/2014 10:56 PM (#711888 - in reply to #711483)
Subject: Re: trolling bucktails




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Trolling girls and OR 16 or 18's I can't remember which one we used to use. Or u can customize them so they can clip on the line and not slide plus hold large weights but that's a very specific set up.
muskyrat
Posted 5/18/2014 8:19 AM (#711900 - in reply to #711888)
Subject: Re: trolling bucktails




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I use 12 lead weight inline with 6 foot flouro leader with a ball bearing on each end. I leave a snap on the main line so I can change weights easily. A round ball clipped to the front of the leader gives more swagger than my way does but I`m not looking for that with double 10s. More for crankbaits.
Jerry Newman
Posted 5/18/2014 9:00 AM (#711905 - in reply to #711900)
Subject: Re: trolling bucktails




Location: 31

I thought the Dahlberg set up was a little overdone because you can just submerge the down rods and get almost as much depth with a lot less rigging.

There's no need to add weight to a down rod either if you can submerge the rod enough. 

jano
Posted 5/18/2014 11:52 AM (#711927 - in reply to #711483)
Subject: Re: trolling bucktails




spinnerbaits would be my choice.if you really want a inline i think a dipsy diver would do the job no???
Trophyseeker50
Posted 5/18/2014 9:15 PM (#711973 - in reply to #711483)
Subject: Re: trolling bucktails





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Location: WI
I made a v rig that goes in front I my 6ft leader. Can put different size weights and also prevents line twist.
Trophyseeker50
Posted 5/18/2014 9:17 PM (#711974 - in reply to #711483)
Subject: Re: trolling bucktails





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Location: WI
Dipsy's are a good idea though.
muskyrat
Posted 5/18/2014 9:24 PM (#711976 - in reply to #711927)
Subject: Re: trolling bucktails




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Jerry have you ever tried that with double ten tails? First off the rods tip alone will not keep them down close to the boat unless you have two feet of rod in the water. That causes major stress on the rod, drags the lures through the weeds and can break the rod if you hit a clump. With the lead weight I can run the rod straight back off the transom keeping my blades spinning in the bubbles where I want them. Not 150 feet back still breaking water. Also if I get one the line peels off smoothly. I agree the extra rigging is a pain and dangerous. I try an avoid weights when I can but if you want to be the man you need them in certain situations. The weights also cause swagger on crankbaits and that just helps get more bites. Ask any LSC guide how he would feel about not using weights for a season. Dipsy divers are for Salmon.
Jerry Newman
Posted 5/19/2014 8:21 AM (#711996 - in reply to #711976)
Subject: Re: trolling bucktails




Location: 31
 
My comment was mainly regarding the use of the Dalberg rig off the power pole, the original poster seems to imply that he wants to go deeper than that though… and Woody already provided the simple formula.  

My typical set up is a cheap 8’ graphite rod on a rail mounted DE so it can rotate to almost 90° right up against the rub rail of my Ranger Fisherman. The tail is easily 3+’ under the surface even with the rod bend, and I have a couple of stiff 9’ rods that will put the tail in the 5’ depth range with less hassle than a Power Pole for shallower water applications.

Yeah, 100s of hours trolling 10-13s in/around the prop wash, you're right about floaters gathering on the rod but you just need to keep an eye out for them, plus clean the rods off frequently. I've never broken a rod with this method, so disagree with the major stress causing issues based on experience. 

Absolutely agree with wandering baits being the ticket with divers.

Brad P
Posted 5/19/2014 8:50 AM (#712000 - in reply to #711483)
Subject: Re: trolling bucktails




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I usually make a homemade keel for this application:

Bucktail wire, and 2-4 oz of lead, typically egg sinkers. It is basically a bottom bouncer. One end has an eye with a split ring to attach to the front swivel of my trolling leader. Bottom is just the wire, about 4" long and then bent to keep the sinkers in place. This method is cheap and has kept 13s down at 5.5MPH for me. Trolling girls are easie to keep down as they are heavier.

You can also tie your own bucktail and integrate a keel into the front of it. Also would allow you to wait it more for trolling.
ShutUpNFish
Posted 5/19/2014 11:19 AM (#712021 - in reply to #711483)
Subject: Re: trolling bucktails





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Location: Money, PA
There would be way too much drag for a dipsey diver....Your best bet and easiest way is inline weights...OR 18 red clips with the little pin in the center so you don't lose the weight. Experiment with line lengths....I would go 10' to 20' in front of the spinner with the weight. Good Luck!
muskyrat
Posted 5/20/2014 8:43 PM (#712251 - in reply to #712021)
Subject: Re: trolling bucktails




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My bad. To get them deep the rod in the water method works. What I use the weight for is to keep them closer to the boat while running over weeds that are just under the surface. If I did the rod in the water method I would be dragging them through the weeds. For submerged weeds rod tips in the water works but is hard to run strait back in the bubbles. I don`t have a power pole so that in not an option for me although I admire Larry's creativity.
Jerry Newman
Posted 5/21/2014 10:02 PM (#712436 - in reply to #712251)
Subject: Re: trolling bucktails




Location: 31

Yeah, without a doubt I think every fisher admires Dahlberg's creativity, and every new idea certainly can't be a winner… but sometimes you figure something else out along the way while experimenting. 

I really liked his segment where he compared the advantages of the shorter versus longer rod butts in the first episode of the giant “Tuner” series. I would add that it's not just while fighting a fish where a short but is better because they definitely reduce fatigue while hauling in large lures and boards trolling muskies for me too.  

It's also easier and more efficient to handle a short butt rod in the boat while trolling, better angle while fighting a fish, and who needs those long butts sticking so far into the boat anyway.  

It seems like Larry Dahberg is always looking for ways to maximize his time and percentages on the water, and I usually come away from watching one of his shows with something new to try… really helps to keep it interesting.

RyanJoz
Posted 5/23/2022 12:49 PM (#1006559 - in reply to #711483)
Subject: Re: trolling bucktails




Posts: 1685


Location: Mt. Zion, IL
Anyone have a chart for what weights, speeds, and blade sizes go which depth?
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