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Location: Xenia, Ohio | Check out this double 10 , I bet you have never seen this before (TIG welded eye)no wrapping, I have a few more tricks I’m goning to add to the next one might start selling them.
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Location: Money, PA | What would be the advantage to a tig welded eye?? |
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| it looks cool. if done correctly, it's strong. and if ever the tail should tumble through the air, the leader will not get caught in the tag end of the wrap because there is no wrap. and that also applies to no line caught in the tag when a fish rolls. win x 4! |
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Location: Detroit River | Ebenezer - 9/18/2013 12:52 PM it looks cool. if done correctly, it's strong. and if ever the tail should tumble through the air, the leader will not get caught in the tag end of the wrap because there is no wrap. and that also applies to no line caught in the tag when a fish rolls. win x 4! My leader has never gotten caught in the wrap of any of my bucktails (homemade or built by others). The weld makes it look clean but I trust the wrap not to fail compared to a weld. |
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| Looks super clean and minimal, it has to be really efficient too. There are probably advantages that aren't even realized yet. Plus tig welding is not easy, especially on thin wire. I like that he advanced the bucktail process, more more keep it going! |
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| Its avery nice looking weld, Stainless is not easy to weld when its that thin. My concerns are their isn't a lot of heat discoloration on either the shaft or the ring, it raises the question if you got enough heat to get good penetration? Also the weld is very small do you think you got enough filler to join the piece well? (please don't tell me you fused the weld)
I would be interested to see a twisted shaft and your welded shaft be put on a tension tester to see what tension they both fail at. I got a prediction on which would fail first, see if you can get to put a pull on then and report back.
If you are thinking of putting these on the market, test the crap of them. Be sure to put a good flexing on your weld, you may need to get the welds annealed if you are having them get brittle in the heat effected zone of the weld. It would also be a selling point if the weld were stronger than a twisted on the tension tester, because if it isn't, it is a much more complicated process (welding vs twisting) for a lesser quality part.
I wish you the best on this venture, please keep us updated on any tests or findings you have.
Again good looking weld. |
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Location: Minnesota | how thick of wire are you using? just a little dab off weld might be strong but I would not trust it. should weld it all the way around then I would trust it more. |
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Location: Xenia, Ohio | Yes I’m an engineer at the world’s largest aircraft company, and I’m one of several weld certifying agents and I have also welded for 35 + years. you won’t break that weld, the weld in the picture was wire brushed but as long as you hold the argon on it after welding it will not discolor very much at all just a little in the heat effect zone, welded on both sides with full penetration with a tiny drop of ams 5837 filler, I was just trying to think outside the box, the main wire shaft is stainless steel and the loop was made out of Inconel. I have a few more tricks I’m going to try on the next bait, Tig welding is an art and takes great skill and talent to master and weld this small, but this wire is .061 which is not that thin at all but the weld is very small. |
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Location: Minnesota | sounds like that will work then.j just looking at the pic it only shows weld on the in size of your loop that what concerns me. but if it welded all the way. around then I would say you should be good to go. |
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Location: Xenia, Ohio | Closer Veiw of Tig Weld
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Location: Xenia, Ohio | One thing I noticed while fishing at Eagle Lake 1 week ago was the weeds would collect around the wrapped eyelet of a double 10, this might be one advantage to a welded eye while fishing around weeds the loop was also made smaller to try and minimize any slack between the leader and eye while fighting a fish. |
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Location: Money, PA | OK, it makes sense to me now that an advantage would be no weeds collecting on the eye and more easily sliding off. Thanks. And I agree with AZ, test the crap out of them and compare the strengths....this would ensure whether or not your venture is worth while and enough of an "appeal" to consumers. Good Luck. |
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| I have some old Mepps spinners that were done that way. Maybe they were soldered and not welded, not sure. Take a look at an old Mepps Lusox.
I am not trying to take anything away from your idea... just goes to show there are very few truly original ideas left in the tackle industry.
Not the best pic...
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Location: Minnesota | your 2nd pic looks much better |
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| i weld alot too and in laymans terms- that aint gonna break. if one breaks it, id like to see him.....or her. |
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| Yea, I wouldn't be worried about it breaking either as long as you welded them yourself. If someone else was doing it for you I'd inspect them closely.
Hard to say how these were done in the past, they are discontinued now and I'm not sure if Mepps ever used that shaft style on anything else.
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| newmuskyz - 9/19/2013 10:09 AM
i weld alot too and in laymans terms- that aint gonna break. if one breaks it, id like to see him.....or her.
ive broke one thing like it,with justa thumb pressure it was really easy.it was on a
LeLure Back Thumper.for me it's just a additional operation that can just add troubles.
twisted wire is not the sexiest but clearly the toughest way to make lure.
be careful
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Location: Minnesota | I bought a double 10 when I was out to lake st Clair they put a piece of shrink tube over the wire twist it's the only one I have like that |
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Location: Dixon, IL | MACONE - 9/19/2013 8:39 AM
Closer Veiw of Tig Weld
Wow! Look good, strong and reduce weeds! |
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| muskyhunter47 - 9/23/2013 8:03 AM
I bought a double 10 when I was out to lake st Clair they put a piece of shrink tube over the wire twist it's the only one I have like that
ok so it will prevent a weed that will not get caught in the big 7/0 treble hook that is 4 inch away the wire twist,it make sense |
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Location: Minnesota | MACONE - 9/19/2013 6:57 AM
One thing I noticed while fishing at Eagle Lake 1 week ago was the weeds would collect around the wrapped eyelet of a double 10, this might be one advantage to a welded eye while fishing around weeds the loop was also made smaller to try and minimize any slack between the leader and eye while fighting a fish.
I was just saying if your line or weeds get cough in the twist there is a easier way to fix that |
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Location: Xenia, Ohio | Here's a photo of the hook end eliminated the split ring all welded eye before shrink wrap.
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| jano - 9/23/2013 12:40 AM newmuskyz - 9/19/2013 10:09 AM i weld alot too and in laymans terms- that aint gonna break. if one breaks it, id like to see him.....or her. ive broke one thing like it,with justa thumb pressure it was really easy.it was on a LeLure Back Thumper.for me it's just a additional operation that can just add troubles. twisted wire is not the sexiest but clearly the toughest way to make lure. be careful
pretty sure those are soldered, not welded...big difference |
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| whats the difference? |
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Location: E. Tenn | muskyhunter47 - 9/23/2013 9:03 AM
I bought a double 10 when I was out to lake st Clair they put a piece of shrink tube over the wire twist it's the only one I have like that
I like that idea... |
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| Soldering, use a material to bind 2 parts together, almost like glue.
Welding, melt to the parts together, fusing it into "one part" |
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