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Nolan
Posted 4/8/2013 6:33 PM (#632845)
Subject: Sucker with no hooks count as "line"?




So with all this talk of fishing with suckers with no hooks, and still getting them in the net, does it count as a line? Say here in MN can I fish a hookless sucker off the back while casting in the fall?
Muskie Treats
Posted 4/8/2013 6:49 PM (#632850 - in reply to #632845)
Subject: Re: Sucker with no hooks count as "line"?





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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot
Yes it's a "line" just as a spearing decoy is a "line".
mtcook16
Posted 4/8/2013 7:46 PM (#632860 - in reply to #632845)
Subject: Re: Sucker with no hooks count as "line"?





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Location: MN
I'm with Shawn on this one. Wouldn't you think that if you are trying to catch a fish on it in the first place, that it probably qualifies as a line? Best not to try and dance around the words of the law. You'll get burned and give yourself, and other muskie fishermen a bad name.
Nolan
Posted 4/8/2013 8:15 PM (#632869 - in reply to #632860)
Subject: Re: Sucker with no hooks count as "line"?




mtcook16 - 4/8/2013 7:46 PM

I'm with Shawn on this one. Wouldn't you think that if you are trying to catch a fish on it in the first place, that it probably qualifies as a line? Best not to try and dance around the words of the law. You'll get burned and give yourself, and other muskie fishermen a bad name.


I was just curious..
Kingfisher
Posted 4/8/2013 8:25 PM (#632871 - in reply to #632869)
Subject: Re: Sucker with no hooks count as "line"?




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Location: Muskegon Michigan
Hmm, In Michigan a decoy is not counted as a legal line unless it has a hook in it. Most guys who spear here use a harness(with a live sucker) or an artificial decoy with no hooks then they still get their maximum number of tip ups out. That is Michigan law as I know it. This is a real good question for your D.N.R. . Each state may have different opinions on how to interpret a fishing line that does not have a hook on it. You could call it a decoy in all fairness. I have been fishing a no strike rig (hook less) for several years. The only answer to your question comes from YOUR D.N.R. . Mike
crix
Posted 4/8/2013 8:30 PM (#632873 - in reply to #632869)
Subject: Re: Sucker with no hooks count as "line"?




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Location: tHe LaKe Of PrIoR, mN
So Alabama rigs with 4 of the 5 swim bait hooks cut off would put you over in by 4 lines then but bass guys can throw them all the time in mn ???
northernmn
Posted 4/8/2013 9:20 PM (#632883 - in reply to #632845)
Subject: Re: Sucker with no hooks count as "line"?




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In Minnesota a spearing decoy needs hooks to be counted as a line. You can have your decoy(no hooks) not counted your spear(counts as one line) and one other line tipup panfish jig whatever.
Brad P
Posted 4/8/2013 11:43 PM (#632906 - in reply to #632845)
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If bass guys are chucking them with 5 baits attached in MN they are fishing illegally. You can fish the 'bama rig in MN, just rig the arms with blades and trail a single bait off the center.
nocturnalmotors
Posted 4/9/2013 7:53 AM (#632925 - in reply to #632845)
Subject: Re: Sucker with no hooks count as "line"?





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Location: Maine Township, MN
Yes, in MN you can spear and have another line down. Personally, I would think it would be a grey area if you could dangle a hookless decoy and still cast another line.

Almost certainly, our DNR would find a way to slap you with something for doing it.


Another thought... How about if you dangled a stringer of legally caught game fish off the side? Hmmmm.....

Edited by nocturnalmotors 4/9/2013 7:57 AM
Billy Dancer
Posted 4/9/2013 12:32 PM (#633000 - in reply to #632925)
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Only a sucker would use a line with no hook.
mtcook16
Posted 4/9/2013 9:03 PM (#633120 - in reply to #632869)
Subject: Re: Sucker with no hooks count as "line"?





Posts: 546


Location: MN
It wasn't an attack on you, sorry if it seemed that way. Just had/seen too many times where people try to skirt the laws for their own benefit and ends up effecting everyone through many different ways ie. the fishery, political goal, unity as a group of muskie fishermen.
Ben Olsen
Posted 4/9/2013 9:49 PM (#633140 - in reply to #632845)
Subject: Re: Sucker with no hooks count as "line"?


Maybe off topic here but... Doesn't it seem like a bad idea to put that much force on a Muskie's internal organs? Hook or no hook?
nebraskamuskie
Posted 4/9/2013 9:49 PM (#633141 - in reply to #632845)
Subject: Re: Sucker with no hooks count as "line"?




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i find this to be a interesting discussion because awhile back in in-fisherman there was an article i think about larry dahlberg who when trolling used several lines with decoy lines out with no hooks on and that didnt count as a line. anyone else read this article?
jchiggins
Posted 4/10/2013 8:04 AM (#633221 - in reply to #632845)
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Location: new richmond, wi. & isle, mn
Yes I did read that article. It was a good read. Basically using a billfish spread from saltwater trolling. I think all these questions are legit. Curious how they would be interpreted by the law. I'm sure it's a shade of grey.
dtaijo174
Posted 4/10/2013 10:09 AM (#633265 - in reply to #632845)
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Location: New Hope MN
I suppose a stringer counts as a line too?



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