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| When I try to use hellhounds, phantoms, etc I cannot get them to glide both ways. I go to a pond to practice and cannot get it. I have searched it and videos just say do it like this as they are working them. That is not helping. Anyone have any actual tips? |
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Location: Smith Creek | Use a rigid wire leader. |
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Location: Mt. Zion, IL | use shorter pulls and increase the slack line you give the bait. a hellhound is the easiest glidebait to work that I have found. |
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| Make sure there is no swivel in your leader. Then it is all about slack line between jerks. Mix up your jerks to get a feel for each bait (they all behave slightly different) until you get comfortable with a cadence. Once you can do the side to side thing, check out the thead link below for solid tips on triggering:
http://muskie.outdoorsfirst.com/board/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=78... |
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Location: Lake "y" cause lake"x" got over fished | Also not sure how hard you are jerking the rod. But I find my glide bait presentations are at their best when I am lightly jerking the rod, the harder I jerk the rod downwards it the less action the bait has.
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Location: Sussex, NJ | Go easy on the tap and make sure your line is slack before the tap. You'll get the hang of it eventually |
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| Try practicing without changing baits until you master one bait - I'd start with the Hellhound. Also, use short casts for practicing. I bet you have a good feel for the Hellhound in less than two hours of focused practice. |
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| All good advice and techniques.
I have found that by focusing on snapping my wrist (instead of pulling with my arm like with a dive and rise suick type) and using a sharp down and across motion I can get the best erratic action out of most side to side glides. |
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| Don't worry too much about the rhythmic side to side cadence. That's pretty well worthless from what I've experienced. It looks cool. You'll get a lot of follow ups. But that's about all you'll get until you figure out how to incorporate triggers into your presentation. About the only advice I can give is that you are probably overworking your gliders - short, light taps are all you need. It takes a LOT less than you think to get the right action out of a hellhound.
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| wear headphones and play classical music... pretend your dancing and swaying side to side and relax. |
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| Sounds like you are trying to work them with a cadence of a Zara Spook. In my opinion more erratic bait movement produces better. Try short taps with varying pause lengths. Always let the bait glide on slack line. The belly roll is a great trigger as it sits and sinks on a longer pause. |
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| What reel are you throwing them with? The speed at which you're picking up line can have great affect on the right amount of slack to get the wide side-to-side glides.
Ryan
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Location: Oregon | I would suggest you find some very clear water so that you can see what the lure is doing. A pool is best but if not available then use a white bait so you can easily see it. Keep the rod tip low, light tap then another tap, take up line as you go along. There is a good demo video on YouTube if you can find it.
Instead of using just the rod to move the bait, I do a lot with just a quick turn of the reel handle then another quick turn. Once you get the hang of it you can use almost any rod and still get the lure to dance. The rod I use to test baits is 3 feet long, lol. Good luck.
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Location: Ohio | The smaller the glider the lighter action rods work better also, so many fisherman over work a glider . Don't look at your glider and rod like your chopping wood look at it like your somewhat finesse fishing the bait.
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Location: Palm Coast, FL | Another way to use glide baits is to work them like you are ripping a crank bait. Long hard pulls. They will have a tight wobble at first and then when there is slack it will dart off to one side or the other. Very erratic fast movement with a slow pause and wide glide. No rythm with great results! |
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Location: Land of the Musky | cave run legend - 11/29/2012 10:55 AM
When I try to use hellhounds, phantoms, etc I cannot get them to glide both ways. I go to a pond to practice and cannot get it. I have searched it and videos just say do it like this as they are working them. That is not helping. Anyone have any actual tips?
I honestly doubt the musky will care which way the lure is swinging. In fact, I think the more erratic the movement (vs rhythmic) will trigger more strikes anyway. Almost every guide I have ever worked with hates baits that come in straight, true, with a perfect wiggle... Keep it wild and keep em guessing, trigger strikes! |
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Location: Maryland | A hellhound can be used without even jerking the rod at all, just use the reel handle in a reel pause and the hellhound wi dance and triger strikes. Practice makes perfect! Also other lures canbe used in this same matter but the hellhound is the easiest to get the cadence ! |
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| In till it becomes second nature, use a single strand wire leader(AFW 210lb) tied directly to your main line and a split ring (#7)at the lure.Keep your leader relatively short (10" is a good start point ). The 300e is perfect for glide baits. As other guys have mentioned, use the reel handle. Quick half turn. Slack will appear as the lure glides forward and to the left or right. take this alack up and give it another quick half turn. This is all done while keeping your rod stationary. It will all come together. Good luck. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Use the reel. Coordinate taking up a half turn of line with the rod tip twitch, and you have it. |
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Location: Leech Lake, Walker MN | That's right Steve it's that simple
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