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| well, I don't know how to put it differently. When you fish jockpot-style lures or topraider style lures, do you ever break your rythm during the retrieve? I wondered because in all the tapes I have seen they all retrieved the topraider-style lures at the same speed without a change-up. The jackpot was stopped or made to shoot out to one side once in a while. |
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| info on fishing toppers and creeper or flaptails is welcome as well |
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| divani,
I break the rythm at least twice during the retieve with a sharp POP using the zig zag baits. I NEVER break the rythum on a flaptail type. The Topper Stopper can be worked about a dozen different ways, so that is a natural for change-ups![:bigsmile:] |
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| Divani,
I try and change up to imitate a wounded bait fish, with a couple of pauses on the way in. My favorite is to work it all the way in about 15' from the boat, and just stop it, pause for a while and give it one more good jerk to get it going to the side, HOLD ON!!!!!!!
Although I have had success with a jackpot without changing up, I guess it just matters on the fishes mood.
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| A change up is good thru out the retrieve.
If I see a following fish I like to speed up the retrieve. |
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| Bill,
How much do you sppeed up the retrieve if you have one coming? I never have really tried that consistently, and have heard it is a great trigger on an active fish. |
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| Steve,
If the fish will stay with the bait, I'll reel as fast as I can. If the fish backs off, I'll slow down. This is when I'm fishing a bait that can handle the speed. With a Hawg Wobbler, your prettty muh stuch with one speed.
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| bill, does that mean you don't change up if you don't see a fish follow? |
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| At the end of the retrieve I might speed up a little (mostly to hurry up and get off another cast) if there is not a follow or a wake. When a wake is behind the lure I'll increase speed.
I have fished with a guy who would swing the rod from the far left to the far right and try to make the bait move left to right in the water to change up things. This seemed fine, but you know "Murphy's Law", the fish would most likely hit when the rods out of position for a hook set.[::)] |
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| Funny thing...I havent had a Ski hit a topwater yet when I have seen the fish follow. Ive tried it all too, sped up, slowed down, stopped, jerked, you name it. The fish I get on topwater are the ones that hit to kill and not to follow. Maybe its just the peculiar fish in our area, but the followers just arent gonna hit the topwater. Anyone else have this experience? |
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| I like to change it up on the walk. You gotta make the dog talk funny sometimes! Not too much however... The creeper is the best on a steady, slow, methodical retrieve... at least for me... Surface lures are a gamble a lot of times, but can be deadly if given the right conditions... |
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| I also speed the lure up an a following fish with a tail rotator. See the post on speed, I eluded to the procedure I use on that post.
On zig-zag baits like vipers and topdawgs about halfway back to the boat I like to shoot them way out to one side and almost pause them for a second, not really pause them, but almost, then shoot them back quick and keep going. I have had a few fish grab them right after this manuver.
I always pop a creeper in about mid-retrieve also.
Divani,
Try getting a hold of a musky buster topwalker for those pike. Reel it as slow as you can and still make the blades turn and keep it afloat. I'm sure them big pike will enjoy eating that bait. Its a great hooker too!
Good Luck,
Brett Waldera |
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| With the topraider I like a consistent chirp from the bait and vary the retrieve little as it has worked the best for me. The jackpot on the other hand I have had the best luck with eratic glides, pauses and it seems they like it best when the nose pops up on the small wind chop. |
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| Mr. Worrall, I thought a flaptail was a jerk and pause topwater? You straight retrieve it? Fast? Slow? |
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| Divani,
I fished the Vipers last year and I will change speeds too.
Rob |
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| rob, I tried the viper but it tends to dive down instead of staying on top like a jackpot. I bet it makes a great sinking glider though.
todd, the flaptail style lures are usually straight retrieved, just as fast as the speed required to make the blade flop around and to get a little tailwiggle out of the wooden body. At least that's what I learned from the tape of joe bucher 'topwater terrors' |
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