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Location: Oconto Falls, WI | steven - 7/12/2012 11:57 AM
Caught and released a 36 incher. Water temps probably around 83-85 degrees on pewaukee lake wisconsin. Got him in. Got some pics and watched him swim off as good as any other musky I've released. And dont tell me its going to be a floater, cuz I know what a floater looks like.
I was going to stay out of this one, but can't any longer. Steven all I will say to your last post is this. Smaller fish will handle stress/heat much better than larger fish. Think about it. Have a young, skinny person and an old, fat person run a 100 yard dash in a 90° day. Which one will fair better, and have a better chance at not croaking? |
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Location: oswego, il | Steven, just because you released one that swam off fine does not mean the next one will. The next one might not be in the best of condition but still strong enoigh to eat but the stress of capture could put it in peril. I know how you feel. I love musky fishing too and its killing me not to go. I have not musky fished since may 6. |
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| I didn't catch it. It was a cousin of mine and it was his first musky he's ever caught. Had to take a picture of that "rat". Probably his best day ever out fishing.... either way yes. I like that fat person comparison. I love my muskies like I love my women, but those don't come around that often. |
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| "If the fish are dying anyways perhaps we should make a push to stop stocking, it would be pointless to stock fish that have a chance to die if the water temps get too high. Perhaps after a few years of cooler summers it could be revisited, but it would seem stop to fish is not enough if you care for the muskie, not stocking them at all at this point sounds best. BR"
Or we as educated anglers could lead by example and fish for something else for a month or so of the season or year depending on where a person lives. I just don't understand the debate ... Why all the drama? Stressed fish, plants, animals, etc have a higher risk of death than those that aren't stressed ... If a fish can't breath because there is a lack of oxygen it will die. Give back to the sport and give back to these fish that have given us all so much. Try to help a person understand that may not know about stress related mortality on your favorite bodies of water. |
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| BenR - 7/12/2012 12:41 PM
Thad - 7/12/2012 12:32 PM
"If the fish are dying anyways perhaps we should make a push to stop stocking, it would be pointless to stock fish that have a chance to die if the water temps get too high. Perhaps after a few years of cooler summers it could be revisited, but it would seem stop to fish is not enough if you care for the muskie, not stocking them at all at this point sounds best. BR"
Or we as educated anglers could lead by example and fish for something else for a month or so of the season or year depending on where a person lives. I just don't understand the debate ... Why all the drama? Stressed fish, plants, animals, etc have a higher risk of death than those that aren't stressed ... If a fish can't breath because there is a lack of oxygen it will die. Give back to the sport and give back to these fish that have given us all so much. Try to help a person understand that may not know about stress related mortality on your favorite bodies of water.
It would appear that fish are dying due to the hot temps, not due to being caught. It is just no longer an appropriate environment based on the links provided in this thread. If people are not fishing and they are dying due to a changing weather pattern, perhaps the best thing is to not stock them. BR
The hottest year on record is just that - one year. If this is the new normal, than you are right - it makes no more sense than it would to stock them in Florida. |
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Location: Oconto Falls, WI | Does anyone have the correct instrument to check the temp throughout the water column right now, along with D.O. levels? I think Gelb has it, but not sure how to get a hold of him. I think it would be very interesting to see in the morning water the water profile would look like, as well as at noon, and then again say at 10:00 at night. Anyone in WI know someone that does the Lake Monitoring on lakes in northern WI, and ask them if they could do this on a lake? Does Jordan Weeks have access to the equipment needed that he could do this?
It wouldn’t put to rest the argument of heat being bad for muskies, but it may show how far down right now that the water is warm.
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Location: Oconto Falls, WI | BenR - 7/12/2012 12:53 PM
esoxaddict - 7/12/2012 12:46 PM
BenR - 7/12/2012 12:41 PM
Thad - 7/12/2012 12:32 PM
"If the fish are dying anyways perhaps we should make a push to stop stocking, it would be pointless to stock fish that have a chance to die if the water temps get too high. Perhaps after a few years of cooler summers it could be revisited, but it would seem stop to fish is not enough if you care for the muskie, not stocking them at all at this point sounds best. BR"
Or we as educated anglers could lead by example and fish for something else for a month or so of the season or year depending on where a person lives. I just don't understand the debate ... Why all the drama? Stressed fish, plants, animals, etc have a higher risk of death than those that aren't stressed ... If a fish can't breath because there is a lack of oxygen it will die. Give back to the sport and give back to these fish that have given us all so much. Try to help a person understand that may not know about stress related mortality on your favorite bodies of water.
It would appear that fish are dying due to the hot temps, not due to being caught. It is just no longer an appropriate environment based on the links provided in this thread. If people are not fishing and they are dying due to a changing weather pattern, perhaps the best thing is to not stock them. BR
The hottest year on record is just that - one year. If this is the new normal, than you are right - it makes no more sense than it would to stock them in Florida.
This is not a new discussion, has become an annual event on here. BR
I see where Ben is going with it, but I’ll take a different tact. I think since fish are dying we need to stock MORE, not less, fish to ensure our fisheries maintain the status quo.  Besides I think the links provided here for fish dying "naturally" are that of pike so using that as a reason to stop stocking muskies is kind of silly. |
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BNelson - some people just can't be reached ... To each his own, I just hope Ben & Pointer don't come fish the lake(s) I do. I'd like to see a fishable population of muskies in there down the road. Given the shape the DNR dept is in in my state there are no guarantees any will ever be stocked again.
I wish you all well and hope you have a safe rest of your fishing season. PP, good luck on your upcoming fishing trip. |
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Location: Smith Creek | Let's ask the resort owners if they want to have clients cancel if the water's too warm. But they aren't responsible for the stocking so forget them. And the license sales from out of staters don't help stocking either.
You know, not everyone has the ability to go on vacation whenever they please. Some people only get a week or two a year to fish and need to book everything months in advance. And lets just say during that week they catch 4 fish. It's hot so they all die.
Now lets say there's a guy who fishes 140 days of season and boats, what's the number? 120? 180 fish a year? Who killed more fish? And who's $25.00 license aided the fishery more?
Not fishing when it's over 80 is personal choice and a good one, but calling someone out for not canceling everything they've planned so they don't kill "your" fish is pretty weak.
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Location: Oconto Falls, WI | Flambeauski - 7/12/2012 1:47 PM
Let's ask the resort owners if they want to have clients cancel if the water's too warm. But they aren't responsible for the stocking so forget them. And the license sales from out of staters don't help stocking either.
You know, not everyone has the ability to go on vacation whenever they please. Some people only get a week or two a year to fish and need to book everything months in advance. And lets just say during that week they catch 4 fish. It's hot so they all die.
Now lets say there's a guy who fishes 140 days of season and boats, what's the number? 120? 180 fish a year? Who killed more fish? And who's $25.00 license aided the fishery more?
Not fishing when it's over 80 is personal choice and a good one, but calling someone out for not canceling everything they've planned so they don't kill "your" fish is pretty weak.
I must say I have to agree, to some point, with this. Say 100% of the fish die for someone who catches 4 fish in their trip during extreme heat, and only fish once a year. Now say 10%, I think that is the number thrown around, die of delayed mortality for someone throughout a year that catches 150 fish during "cool" water conditions. OUCH!
I do think if you visit this board or any other you have been made aware of the hgih water temp issue, and can plan vacations accordingly. For example if we are to have issues in northern WI with high water temps it is usually mid-late Jul. This year was abnormal. Plan accordingly next time and plan a trip in June or Aug.
For those that take vacations and want to go musky fishing...you can still not musky fish. Since giving up guiding I musky fish much less than before, and I cherish the time I do get to go for them. However I fished very little last week for muskies once I saw what the temps were from Wed-Sun. in northern WI. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | good points Flambeuski and Travis ...
if you are a vacationer and want to one up your odds and two reduce the risk ... hit the bobbers for pannies n smallies until sunset and then fish bigger water starting much later. the odds both ways will be in your favor 1. contacting fish and 2. releasing successfully.
another idea is if you come up here through Minocqua and you catch 3 fish ... stop at the MuskyShop and buy 3 fish just in-case. there is a direct money-to-fish fundraiser going on and it will make your return trip have less guilt. for anyone who isn't aware call the muskyshop and/or stop in next time and buy some for our area lakes!! win/win
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Now there is a good productive addition to this thread .. Nicely done Sled! |
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| You can't blame the guys who plan their trips a year in advance. That's their vacation, probably the only one they get, and they took that vacation for the sole purpose of going musky fishing. If they are like the rest of us, they spent the whole year waiting for that one week. I'm not going to tell them they shouldn't be out there. But the guys who live ten minutes from the lake and can fish after work every night, or put in two days over the weekend, every weekend? Those are folks who should know better.
And I'm not buying the 10% delayed mortality rate. 10% for who? Someone who has never caught one before, dragged the fish up in shore, and doesn't have any tools? 10% for the less experienced who take longer to unhook the fish? 10% for the guy who takes 5 pictures of every fish?
I've had boatside fish go in the net green, come unpinned in the net, out of the net, quick picture, and back in the water off the other side of the boat in less than a minute. If guys who fish all of the time are killing 10% if them, there wouldn't be any left. |
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Location: Illinois | CiscoKid - 7/12/2012 1:57 PM For those that take vacations and want to go musky fishing...you can still not musky fish. I'm a big panfish on the pier guy on my vacay when the temps are 80+ It is about the only time besides winter that I target pannies. It is a LOT of fun too! Cooler of brews, some leeches, and the fresh Wisco Air? Bring the jambox dockside and I'm in a state of nirvana. Not the kind that smells like teen spirit, either! 
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Just to remind a couple folks the subject has been covered.....allot. |
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