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| Hi Guys:
I know that Lakemaster was bought by Johnson, the same company that owns Humminbird.
So the Lakemaster Lowrance chips are very hard to find right now.
I talked to someone and was told that Lowrance now has a "Pro Chip" out with Lakemaster data on it. Apparently it has 13 states and LOTW all on the one chip for $99.
Question is, do any of you have this and how did Lowrance get the data from Lakemaster?
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Location: Wisconsin | I think Fishing HotSpots are providing the information for those chips. |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | Lake data can be bought from numerous places here in the states including a number of places over seas, it's no real secret. You'll never know exactly how companies get data, all the companies remain very tight lipped on where they get their data.
The new Lowrance cards are very good from what I've seen, plus you have 13 states versus individual states on 1 card Lakemaster provides. |
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | I heard that those "new" chips only work in the gen. 1&2 units..... is that true?
Can you use them in older units, like 5-8 year old units? |
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| TJ - I guess that is the question I have. Is there somewhere you can find out which lakes are in HD on the new Lowrance map card?
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | The HD Card can only be used for HDS units, Gen 1 & 2. The Pro Card can be used with Mark, Elite, HDS and HDS Gen 2 units.
So to answer your question Top H2O, no, they will not work with the older LCX/LMS units.
MuskyMidget - list of lakes for each card can be found at this link. Go to the bottom of the page, it'll say coverage info with a highlighted link reading "See the full list of lakes here".
http://www.lowrance.com/Products/Mapping/Insight-HD-and-PRO/Lake-In... |
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| Thanks TJ !
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| I have done some real scientific testing with the Pro chip and a 2011 Lakemaster chip LOL. From what I could tell they were identical. Granted my sample size was really small, but the HD lakes I looked at appeared to be using the same data. |
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| Exactly what I was hoping for Captain. I have two HDS7 units and thought when they were networked, you only needed one chip. So I have one Navionics chip and one Lakemaster chip. After everyone ran out of the Lakemaster Lowrance chips, I found out I needed a chip for each unit. I typically use the Navionics anyways, but there are 2 specific lakes in northern MN that Lakemaster has HD and Navionics doesn't.
So I wanted to make sure if I bought the Pro Chip and put it on the bow, I was going to be seeing the same map on my bow as on my dash where the Lakemaster chip will be.
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| MuskyMidget - 6/12/2012 1:13 PM
I found out I needed a chip for each unit. I know this was mentioned in another thread, perhaps it was you, but are you 100% sure you need one in each?
I thought you could share chart data when networked. Its entirely possible I am wrong, but I thought you could. Maybe that just means GPS and waypoints, etc, but not the chip itself. |
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| Yep that was me in another thread thinking you could share the map. Several responses said you can share way points when networked (that's the whole point) but maps are not shared. |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | Yes, you absolutely have to have two chips. Map data will not share from one unit to another, unfortunately. |
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| Darnit. Well, now I know for sure. Thanks. |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | What unit do you have? You might have some preloaded maps on your unit, depending on which one you have that might be showing up which would make you think map data is being transferred. |
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Location: 31 | TJ DeVoe - 6/12/2012 2:48 PM
What unit do you have? You might have some preloaded maps on your unit, depending on which one you have that might be showing up which would make you think map data is being transferred.
TJ, you answered a question I would have had several posts ago... A just wanted to say thank you for sharing your knowledge and understanding of these units. You've been very helpful to me personally thus far and it's been appreciated. |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | Jerry Newman - 6/12/2012 4:26 PM
TJ, you answered a question I would have had several posts ago... A just wanted to say thank you for sharing your knowledge and understanding of these units. You've been very helpful to me personally thus far and it's been appreciated.
Glad I could help, anytime! |
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| I poped the insight lake map products into my dad's lcx 111 and it worked. had 1 foot contours on Detroit lake.
Jeremiah |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | Guest - 6/12/2012 6:04 PM
I poped the insight lake map products into my dad's lcx 111 and it worked. had 1 foot contours on Detroit lake.
Jeremiah
If it works, then that's news to me. According to Lowrance's Field Support and their website, the HD card only works with the HDS units and the Pro card only works with the Mark, Elite, HDS Gen 1 & 2. If it works, great! |
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| TJ DeVoe - 6/12/2012 2:48 PM
What unit do you have? You might have some preloaded maps on your unit, depending on which one you have that might be showing up which would make you think map data is being transferred. TJ I have an HDS 7 and an HDS 5. Neither of which have the preloaded insight. I have chips in both units, but I was thinking down the road when new chips came out I could just buy one chip and share the data based on some of the settings I was seeing. There I go trying to save a buck again. 
Edited by Captain 6/13/2012 9:24 AM
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| Check out the Navionics Hotmaps chips, I listed a couple links to some press releases on lake updates. The beauty of Navionics is they give you the opportunity to update your chip free for a year, so as Freshest Data is added to the data base you can update your chip. They are constantly updating cartography.
http://www.navionics.com/lakes/index.html
http://www.navionics.com/lakes/LakeUpdates.asp
http://muskie.outdoorsfirst.com/articles/06.06.2012/4915/Freshest.D...
http://muskie.outdoorsfirst.com/articles/06.12.2012/4935/Freshest.D...
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Location: north central wisconsin | The chip/electronics company's could/should/will eventually make it work like any software I purchase for my computer. Allow up to 2-4 units owned by the individual to be loaded with the info. Done. Theres my gripe.
Now, nice to hear that lakemaster data will be/is perhaps available for the HDS units. It is the most accurate map data for many midwest Musky waters, and I can rest easy knowing I can continue to enjoy that with my HDS units as more and more of my favorite lakes become mapped.
Edited by Reef Hawg 6/13/2012 2:49 PM
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| Can anyone tell me how far North on LOTW the one foot contours go? Is it the same cut off point as the Lakemaster chip? |
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| For those of you that think there is a black line between the lakemaster and the navionics meaning one is way better you need to do more research. Neither one is "better", they are just more accurate on different lakes which is the reason I run one in one unit and one in the other. Also, there are thousands of lakemaster chips still available for your Lowrance units you just need to look in the correct place but I cannot say where that place is on here w/o getting scolded;)! Navionics has stepped up there game in a big way, now offering statewide chips with free one year upgrades and actually adding new lakes to their chip!! It's about time! |
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| 50 inch, It is pretty close with the Lakemaster, but from what I have seen by comparing the two is that Lakemaster has a little more coverage to the East and maybe a little more to the North...also being that Lakemaster has been working on the woods for the last 6 odd years or so I think they may be a little more accurate up there but I cannot say that for sure being that I havent fished there! |
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| Yep. I have both chips Lakemaster and Navionics. Only because Lakemaster has a couple lakes in MN in HD that Navionics doesn't. I don't prefer one chip over the other, just needed both to get the lakes I fish in detail. |
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| Lakemaster no longer adding lakes if they do… how are you going to get them? The data is static and not improved upon. Plus there are signifigantly less lakes on lakemaster. Most importantly, new lakemaster doesn’t run on lowrance. |
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Location: north central wisconsin | lookin4_big_gurls - 6/14/2012 11:34 AM
For those of you that think there is a black line between the lakemaster and the navionics meaning one is way better you need to do more research. Neither one is "better", they are just more accurate on different lakes which is the reason I run one in one unit and one in the other. Also, there are thousands of lakemaster chips still available for your Lowrance units you just need to look in the correct place but I cannot say where that place is on here w/o getting scolded;)! Navionics has stepped up there game in a big way, now offering statewide chips with free one year upgrades and actually adding new lakes to their chip!! It's about time!
I'd suspect most are aware that neither are 'better'. As midget explains, we use the chip with an accurate map, on the lake fished, regardless of brand. Being versed in both, and what they offer, I don't reach for a brand, but an accurate map. I prefer looking at the color on the nav chip over LM, personally, but if I want accuracy, I run the LM on my home waters. If nav decides to map some of my local flowages like LM did, all the better. So, if one of your chips is more accurate for a certain lake, why run one of each nav/LM? I could see doing this on Mill Lacs, Big V, LOTW, or another water where both chips offer high quality maps. If you are boating on Petenwell flowage in WI, it doesn't even pay to have the nav along as it holds little to no value in comparison. Some folks were just a bit frightened when they heard that at some point LM would no longer be available for Lowrance users. Nice to know the data will be available. It's also comforting to know nav is mapping more waters, along with offering updates. Should make for a nice value.
Edited by Reef Hawg 6/24/2012 9:36 AM
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Location: Mt. Zion, IL | http://store.navico.com/Lowrance/Lowrance-Cartography
The Insight HD 2012 chips are now available to those that are interested. Mine should be here tomorrow.
Edited by RyanJoz 6/28/2012 8:16 AM
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