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| This PHD has a different story
http://chemistry.about.com/cs/howthingswork/f/blblacklight.htm |
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| Let’s keep in mind in order to reflect UV light off these UV paints you need to have an energy source. You have two options underwater: 1) Sun and 2) living organism
In terms of UV paints/dyes enhancing night fishing opportunities science would say it is not possible. Need the sun, and while stars produce UV light I cannot find how far it may penetrate into the water. So as far as daytime fishing goes the question becomes how deep can UV rays penetrate in various water clarities. This link would suggest clarity means everything in how much UV light you have available to reflect if any at all.
https://sites.google.com/site/flyonahook/home/fly-tying/colour-1/uv-...
Thus using UV paint/dye in peat-stained water would be a poor choice although it may be marketed as helping you in such waters.
Here is a great article talking about light, and UV light in the ocean. Basically more reassurance that clarity of the water makes all the difference in the world. Keep in mind I am using the word term clarity loosely here. Interesting to also note some organisms absorb UV, or reflect it to help camouflage themselves from predators.
http://www.biology.duke.edu/johnsenlab/pdfs/pubs/oceanus.pdf
It now all boils down to if muskies even use their perceived ability to see in the UV spectrum. Research would suggest not if they spend their times in shallower water where there is lots of sunlight available. Research also suggests if they spend their time where limited light is available then they may use their perceived ability to see in the UV spectrum. Not sure if “fish” can just turn the ability on or off as I take it from information that “fish” either always use it, or not use it at all based on where they live in the water column.
So first you have to have a UV light source available. Next you have to water conditions conducive to allowing the UV light penetrate to the depth the fish are at, then you need to have a fish species that has the ability to see in the UV spectrum, and last but not kleast you need to have a fish that actually uses the ability to see in the UV spectrum. Sure appears you need a lot to fall into place to make the UV fad viable. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | muskyjerk - 1/27/2012 2:33 PM
This PHD has a different story
http://chemistry.about.com/cs/howthingswork/f/blblacklight.htm[/QUO...
What's different about it? Not sure what you mean.
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It's all about light penetration, whether it's UV spectrum or that which we are more familiar with, and understanding what happens to visible spectrum color in water where UV is still viable.
Surface baits..probably not a good idea. Big soft plastics fished mid water column or deep or when visible light is reflected more than UV...maybe not a bad theory, certainly no worse in the visible spectrum than the florescent finishes.
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Location: Land of the Musky | OK-So this discussion finally peaked my interest and I took my UV light out in the garage (AKA distribution center - lol). Very cool! I walked around in the dark with the light and about 1/3 of my baits lit up like Christmas trees. Mose of my SuperDs that had positive effects had yellow, orange, and red pigmented plastisols. Many of the painted crankbaits also showed up with the UV light. So, good news is, you probably have already been fishing with UV enhanced baits and never even knew it. It was interesting though as my white shoes glowed like a light bulb but I grabbed a Super Cisco with white paint on it and nothing.
James
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Location: Detroit River | Tackle Industries - 1/28/2012 8:33 PM
OK-So this discussion finally peaked my interest and I took my UV light out in the garage (AKA distribution center - lol). Very cool! I walked around in the dark with the light and about 1/3 of my baits lit up like Christmas trees. Mose of my SuperDs that had positive effects had yellow, orange, and red pigmented plastisols. Many of the painted crankbaits also showed up with the UV light. So, good news is, you probably have already been fishing with UV enhanced baits and never even knew it. It was interesting though as my white shoes glowed like a light bulb but I grabbed a Super Cisco with white paint on it and nothing.
James
The Hunter Orange clothing also reflects UV light. They sell a clothing wash that is supposed to eliminate the UV reflection so that deer don't see you. |
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Location: Land of the Musky | So, you could dress your lures in tinny blaze orange hunting jackets  I smell a new product line. Crankbait jackets! |
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| I find the discussion interesting and humorous that we need proof of UV claims before buying a product. If that was the case we would not have purchased many of our lures. For those interested go for it. |
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| Ask spencer and keyes outdoors-------------- |
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| The difference. UV facts claims UV light is absorbed but no mention of returned light, and blacklight not a way to tell if lure reflects UV light. The chemistry site says UV Light is absorbed and then released at a longer wavelength which would be in our visible spectrum and the light flouresces or is flourescent. Most also call the blacklight a UV light.
This raises some more UV paint questions for me. The UV light travels further into the water than visible light and a lure which reflects this light would be easier for fish to see.
Does the lure reflect light at the same wavelenght as UV light or reflect it at our visible spectrum which doesn't travel as far? But would still have increased visibility at a deeper depth because it is acted upon by UV light.
Is fluorescent the goal of a UV lure or is it pure UV reflection? Pure UV would make the lure more visible.
How much do mirror like lures reflect?
Don't forget that moonlight is reflected sunlight. Think about articles in recent years talking about muskie moonlight success with flourescent chartreuse and pink cowgirls.
Sure got my noggin going.
Do bird feathers reflect UV or do they flouresce in a blacklight.
In the end whether it works or not it may just give some of us a little more confidece when we need it on the water.
Too bad the physicists are busy trying to figure out blackholes, dark matter and etc. and not muskies, lures, and UV light. |
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| Not much UV from the moon really since the moon doesn't emit UV, but rather reflects it from the sun. However the stars and galaxies are more important when it comes to UV at night.
Interesting article about UV actually being higher on partly cloudy and hazy days, as well as it mentions a bit about the moon and UV.
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2732/are-uv-rays-really-mo...
An article on UV and stars and galaxies.
http://science.hq.nasa.gov/kids/imagers/ems/uv.html
Once again though keep in mind CLARITY of water makes all the difference in whether any UV makes it any kind of distance in the water column.
As far as Spencer and that Keyes show...good marketing. |
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| So I have heard and read much research and I will finally test some of this speculation next week. I cannot say to what extent musky can visualize UV light but I will be able to prove to the extent to which the bait/paint reflects UV light, if at all.
At the muskie shows all displays were bragging the UV products worked by demonstrating these baits fluoresce under Black light. This proves nothing, there is no black light underwater and further more it simply means it ABSORBS UV light and emits it as visible fluoresce.
I have access to a fluorometer and will check the wavelength of light reflected when UV light is used. THis is the only way to prove reflection of UV light as the Human eye cannot visualize UV light!
sorry for the little rant, but I need to know for myself and I figured others might like the info as well.
I will post my results on this forum when completed. |
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| The reason the Hunter orange clothing glows is most likely due to chemicals in the detergent. |
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| bbeaupre, I feel the same way. Coated a lure with spike it UV and fished it yesterday when nothing was biting for me in sunny conditions and clear water ( not bad conditions for me in recent weeks) but nothing changed. Sometimes they just won't bite. I'll keep trying. Silver foil and chrome lures haven't got me muskie strikes in cold water where others have had success (clear water, muddy water, sunny or cloudy conditions). Flourescent chartreuse and orange seem to work best for me in cold water (32-> 50 degrees).
One Spike it rep didn't knot the answer as to what light is reflected by UV coting and other said light is reflected in UV part of spectrum. Both suggested talking to spike it owner to be sure.
Glow appears different from Flourescent under blacklight.
Still not ready to accept or decline UV lures. |
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