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Location: Minneapolis | Dirt1123 - 9/7/2011 11:43 AM
I cant get my suick tuned just right, can someone help?
Funny. I usually DON'T want my Suicks darting side to side. For me, the beauty of a Suick is driving it down into the weeds, and then letting it back up weed-free. If it goes side to side, it gets fouled in the weeds. I often tune the line attachment screw like I would a crankbait to get a Suick to run straighter. You may be able to do the same thing in reverse to get more side-to-side darting. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | http://muskie.outdoorsfirst.com/watch.asp?id=4313
Go full screen, and watch carefully, about 2/3 through you can see the tail is bent down some, and one side is a little curled. Quite a bit of the process is working the lure as as described, too.
Here's an image of that lure tuned to dart:
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Location: Eagan, MN | I can when I get home tonight. I bend mine down a little more than Steve, and I don't really curve it. I get them to run true (equal parts left and right) mostly by turning the screw eye in the direction I need it to go. i.e. running to my right too much, I turn slightly to the left (counter-clockwise as the lure is facing me). Make sure all of the hook hangers are centered. If it still goes one way you can bend the tail down on the side you want it to go... probably the same thing Steve is suggesting. This is usually the last resort for me. Also, you may need to re-tune throughout the day, as they take on water the balance changes. None of mine run correctly when they are bone dry, but I don't bother tuning until I've made 10-20 casts. Every suick has it's own personality and runs a bit different, and the same one will run a little different from day to day. I look at it this way, suicks know a lot more about catching muskies than I do... if one chooses to run a certain way I just trust it to do it's thing.
Also, don't worry, it still comes through the weeds just fine. They still run nose down. To me the key is not to make big rips. I just kind of make short pulls while reeling. Watch some Doug Johnson videos and you'll get what I mean. |
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| I wish i could, but i don't think posting a picture of a suick that runs correctly would be possible. At least i have never seen one run correctly in real life. |
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| Mine just kicks either left or right, back to center then back in the same direction |
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| where do i find the doug johnson videos? |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | jackson,
Obviously, the Suick is a VERY popular lure...just check the top five lure thread; and is responsible for HUGE numbers of muskies in the net. Perhaps some more experience may help you.
That said, posting the sort of nonsense above is rude, and does nothing to help the person looking for advice.
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Location: Iowa Great Lakes | While I'm not a suick owner/user, Steve can make those things dance. Watch the vid and see what he does and you'll be impressed, I was... |
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| I think the wood from the factory is the main thing (dryness, density). I use lots of Suicks from 5" to 12". Some i leave the tails straight back, some I bend down sharply, some I bend down on less of an angle. I have a handful that I can get to go left and right and some that dive straight up and down. With wood you're getting a unique bait from one purchase to the next. There's no real diffference in the set up or tuning between any of my baits, some just run different than others and they all catch fish. There are ones that go left to right with the tail straight back, and others with the same tail adjustment run up and down. A little bellsinker up front will give you more hang, more sound and will get them running up and down well. Come to think of it, not even a bell sinker makes a difference getting left-right vs up-down action. its gotta be the wood. Like Kenny Rogers Chicken, the wood makes it good! |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Each tunes differently, but none are difficult to make dance side to side and all will dive and rise if tuned to do so. Love my Suicks. |
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Location: New Jersey | Hey Steve, Is the rear hook hanger in the photo bent back intentionally, or is that from use? Never saw that before.
Rob |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Heavy use, I'd guess, most of my Suicks eventually end up looking like that. Doesn't seem to change the action any. |
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Location: Eagan, MN | Here you go. Btw, the minor bends in the tail aren't intentional. Like Steve said, suicks tend to get beat up. It just adds character.
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Location: Eagan, MN | Dirt1123 - 9/7/2011 1:09 PM
where do i find the doug johnson videos?
I have a couple of In-Fisherman dvds. Just watch the video that Steve linked to, you can't really see what he's doing, but he does mention that he's pretty subtle with it. You can get a pretty good idea just by watching the lure. Also, as mentioned, the idea in weeds is to actually run it into them, make contact and then let it rise. Takes some patient practice but you'll pick it up. Good Luck! |
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| Steve, it's just my opinion. I have a number of them and worked with them lots. Even worked with some people who believe they can get them to run correctly and they were frustrated. Wasn't being rude, just never had any luck. Sounds like the original poster on this thread feels the same way. I know its not just me.
The only way i could ever get them to do anything is to drill holes and add lead. Different locations on every one of them. The front eye usually gets so messed up from tuning i don't trust it to hold a fish unless i glue it in place after modifying it. I have found that difference in bouyancy in the wood and too much difference in between them makes each one a tuning problem. Just seems like alot of work when there are other baits i can make dance much faster. Just my opinion and my frustration. |
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Location: Denmark | One have to be gentle when tuning a Suick, in my country some of the coins has holes in them, so I use them as an adjustable weight system. I also like shorter owner hooks that i T-bone.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Most of the time, it's how the bait is being worked combined with how it's tuned. I honestly have never yet run into a Suick I couldn't make do what I wanted it to do by changing the retrieve a bit and tuning it. That said, you need to adjust as the lure soaks up some water once they are all beat up.
I don't use the front eye to tune the lure much, as long as it's straight, I leave it alone. |
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| thanks guys ill be out tomorrow so I'm going to give it a shot |
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| Adding weight will help so will the direction in which you jerk your rod tip . I think alot of your trouble is comming from your technique more than the bait its self . I see alot of guys kind of craddle there rod on there side and twist there body to exicute the jerk . I use the rod almost in front of me and snap the rod tip down from about parallel to the water. I will jerk slightly to the right and left to make my lure dart side to side a little better . You can buy stick on wheel weights at just about any auto store they work great for expermenting with adding weight to lures . Just keep on chuckin ummm good things will happen. |
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| anyone use the red hot thrillers? is the action the same or no?
and where do you want to ad weight to make it dart better, the front or back |
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Location: Ontario | Start off testing bellsinkers off the front split ring. I have dozens of Suicks and have used them for years and tried pouring lead, drilling, epoxy etc etc etc, the bell sinker adds sound, is totally non-permanent and works very well. It works on Bobbies, Wades, Shallow Dawgs, Shallow Invaders, Believers and other lures. Hooking %age on a Suick is excellent for me, and by adding or subtracting lead on the split ring you can make a lure hang down six or seven feet, pop up fast, troll, whatever you want. I weight the weighted and unweighted models with the same luck. Lots can go wrong drilling, pouring lead, drilling holes etc, believe me. Hey,if its your last resort with a bait thats stubborn you really have nothing to lose. Just be pprepared to mess up a couple. But with a good bait, removable weight on the ring is easy and you can adjust it with zero risk. I think that sinker knocking back into the belly helps a lot too in water ranging from gin clear to moderate to dark. Some of those screw in set-ups look good, but you still gotta set them. |
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