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| well i went and looked at that Nav 165, and ended up bringing it home, i really like it..
The only thing that bothered me, was when i got it home, it was so heavy, i couldnt lift it off the trailer hitch! Is this normal with this boat? My 1750 fishhawk wasnt nearly that heavy.. Im hoping maybe it has water in it? I cant imagine its that heavy..
I will attach some pics.
Dave
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| Very nice boat!
How far forward is the boat on the trailer? Sounds like it could possibly be a bit too far forward, creating a bit more tongue weight than what would be ideal/recommended? You should be able to lift the boat up off the trailer hitch...especially being a 16 foot boat.
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Location: North Central IL USA | KSauers - 8/7/2011 9:08 AM
you need a tongue jack that's all
Yep! I never lift mine.
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| Something is not right guys, i just weighed the tongue weight, it is over 300 pounds!!
I tried to launch in a nearby lake, and the forward bracket on the trailer ended up dragging on the ramp and i couldnt launch.
I am perplexed.....
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | That much weight on the tongue isn't good, should be less than 30% of that. The boat is definitely too far forward on the trailer from your description. If there's no room to move her back, the trailer is mismatched with the boat. Is the trailer a roller or bunk model? How far back on the trailer is the boat? Take a few images from the rear and of the tongue and post them, please. |
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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | Hiya,
If you would, please take a picture of the side of the boat including the trailer and wheels. I have the same boat with a little lighter motor. and a shoreland'r trailer. From the back edge of the tail light to the rear U-bolt that mounts the axle spring to the frame is 47-1/2". I can lift my toungue, but 300 pounds is way too much...it should be half that.
My guess is the trailer axle is not correctly postioned...
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| Thats funny Steve, i was just looking at that! From the back of my turn signal to the first U-bolt is only 34 inches!! thats the problem right there.. How does a dealer sell a boat that far out of adjustment???
I bet your axle is almost in front of the alumacraft logo!!
I will attach 2 pics of it..
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Two options here, axle forward or boat back, if there's room to adjust the boat back some. |
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| sworrall - 8/7/2011 8:28 PM
That much weight on the tongue isn't good, should be less than 30% of that. The boat is definitely too far forward on the trailer from your description. If there's no room to move her back, the trailer is mismatched with the boat. Is the trailer a roller or bunk model? How far back on the trailer is the boat? Take a few images from the rear and of the tongue and post them, please.
It is a roller model, and the boat and trailer came from a dealer in minnesota, i dont know how it would be allowed to be sold like that??
The boat is all the way back on the trailer, so i think its the axle like Steve says.
It appears the axle is too far back on the trailer frame.
The guy i bought it from used larger tow vehicles that were capable of higher tongue weights so he didnt notice it.. supposedly..
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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | hiya,
The center of the axle is almost directly below the first A in Alumacraft...
I would not move the boat back...looks to be good there..
What weight trailer did you get?
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| I just looked at the model number on the trailer, it is SLR22LW, it has a 2200 pound capacity, and is for 192-218 inch hulls i believe.. just looking at the specs now.. It looks just like your trailer..
Still dont know how this boat could be sold with it being that far out of adjustment!
also explains why the front roller that the boat rests on when you winch it up is worn, too much weight on it!
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Looks like the axle needs to be adjusted. |
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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | My trailer is the 2300 lb model, but I would bet outside of that it has the same overall dimensions. Did you buy the rig from a dealer or from a private party? If from the dealer, you could take it back to them to do the trailer adjustment. If private party, you should be able to do it on your own without too much trouble...
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| No it was a private party, so its up to me, or i may
take it to the nearby Cabelas, they are the closest navigator dealer.
You would think the previous owner wouldve noticed it, and the dealer he bought it from new wouldve set it up correctly..
weird
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| Nothing surprises me with some dealers these days. Some are always looking to cut a few corners to save a buck or two. Some dont even install a fuel/water separator. This is a big issue because I know of more than a handful of guys that didnt have one and ended up getting injector problems with their motors.
Do you have the proper equipment to do this yourself? Should be able to put a jackstand under the back of trailer on each side to get the weight off the axle, then loosen it up and slide it forward. Just make sure you get it under there square or it will sidetrack down the road. |
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| Dave, just to give you reference I found this picture of a Navigator 165 from the side. You can see where the axle is on this boat quite clearly. Apears to be significantly different than yours.
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| Thanks captain, I was doing the same thing looking for pics of the same boat
and all of them have the axle at least a foot more forward!
May just take it to a dealer because i am afraid of not getting it square, want this boat set up correctly!! Hopefully they wont charge me too much..
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| Dave - It's real easy to square. After you have the trailer on jack stands, loosen axle mounts and move axle to about where you want it. Snug mounts down. Measure from front of trailer coupler to a solid point on the left side of the axle, and same solid point on the right side. If the measurements are the same, you are square. If not, adjust. |
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| Thanks i may give it a shot..
Problem is may have to change the wiring as well. could be
a pain..
ill check it out
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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | Hiya,
When you go to do the move, I would highly suggest you have the boat off the trailer. As for wiring, where is are the brown and white wires coming out of the trailer now as they compare to the fenders? You might not have to do any changes with it depending on where that is occurring...
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| Yeah, boat off the trailer offers some ease, but if Dave doesn't know exactly where he wants the axle located, then he will need to re-load the boat on the trailer to check tongue weight. If the boat stays on the trailer, checking resulting tongue weight is much simpler. |
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| A little hard to tell for sure, but it looks like the step pads on your fenders are fastened to a bracket welded to the trailer. You'll need to do something about that when you move the axle. |
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| I believe thats a bracket that sits on the trailer frame, and bolts to it as well..No weld.
Been working all fricking week 12 hours, so havent been able to get a good look at it!!!
I may just take it in and let the pros, do it.. they are telling me they rarely see a trailer where the axle is set up wrong.. It sure appears this is the case on this one though!!
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| Dave,here is my 2 cents worth.The weight on the hitch should be 10-15% of the total rig weight loaded. Any less than 10% the boat gets "tail happy" while towing in a cross wind. That is not a fun tow and will wear you down quickly.It sounds like you have the correct roller trailer for the 165CS. The stern should be right over the last roller to give maximum support for you transom long term.If it hangs over you may have issues with cracks in the transom several years down the road. P.S. the roller trailer is great. Make sure you twist the rear set of rollers DOWN(making a V) before loading,its a piece of cake to drive on them. Good luck. |
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| Thanks guest,
yes my previous boat had a shorelandr roller trailer as well, and i loved it.
That was part of the reason i purchased this boat..
Just need to get it set up correctly! needs to be at least half of the tongue weight
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