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| So what do you want the future to be? (Nod to Nektar) Jack Lamb, the bass master and excellent writer stressed the importance of C&R in 1937. Today he would be especially proud of the muskie guys.
Here's a not new idea related to this thread, one I really like....
Shining for muskies with a bazillion-power Q-Beam in the middle of the nite is great fun. Not to fish for what you see, just lookin'.
You won't hurt the fish and you'll learn a whole lot about how to modify your usual darktime presentations.
Anyway, another way to play with muskies....spotlights at nite.
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| Reading thru many of these posts it is very clear that we all care about the health of the fish. Everyone has a little different view on what is acceptable with no magic (perfect) answer. Perhaps we should all make that little extra contribution to Muskies, Inc.. They help promote the fish and sport. I know times are tough but for those that can it would help. Perhaps when we catch that fish that will not make it we will know that we are still doing some good. Use common sense and do your best. For me, the second after I get bit, my concern goes to not doing anything stupid that will hurt the fish any more. Yea, I know it sounds redundant but we have come a long way for the sport of Muskie fishing. Teaching others better ways beats ragging on them if they don't do things the way you think. |
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| Vahntitrio,
I appreciate your thoughts on dissolved oxygen and its relationship to plant grow and decay. But with all due respect and I'm not going to argue this with you, but you're are wrong. Or might I suggest at the very least over simplfying the arguement that you're presenting. DO can change due to many many factors. Wind is a huge contrubutor to adding Dissolved Oxygen to a lake also the time of year in aqutic plants growing season. The decaying of weeds and cabbage will draw out and thus lower DO levels. Like I said there are many other factors. However, one factor that can't be removed at anytime in this disscusion is the "What is the water tempreture?" The warmer the water I don't care if you're on a 400' deep sheild lake or a 8' deep farm pond. The less gas that water can hold or conversely the colder the water the more gas it will hold. Oxygen is a gas and the cooler the water the more DO that water will contain with some exceptions.
Salmonid waters = fish will see moderate to severe production impairment with DO levels between 6 and 5.
Non-Salmonid waters= fish will see moderate to severe production impairment with DO level between 5 and 3.5
Invertabrates= anything below 5 and you start to see heavy mortality.
So during the summer months in the top layers of water on any given lake even with 100% saturation the DO levels may be to low for musky and other fish that swim in those waters. While you make some valid points the arguement will always almost come back to Water Tempreture. I'll say this again the colder the water tempreture the more gas it can hold. As water becomes warmer and warmer the less DO it can hold. |
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| Hunter4 - 8/8/2011 11:13 PM
Vahntitrio,
I appreciate your thoughts on dissolved oxygen and its relationship to plant grow and decay. But with all due respect and I'm not going to argue this with you, but you're are wrong.
Even though it is true that colder water holds more oxygen there are many more factors at play than just water temp when it comes to lakes. With all of the talk on here about water temp I did some research on the subject and many studies seem to back up Vahntitrio post. I think the more improtant factor is that warmer water is going cause the fish to burn up that oxygen at a greater rate as was also stated and that is what is stressing a caught fish. If you can find some studies that would say otherwise I would like to here them I am always looking for more info. |
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| JK,
I am just addressing the water temp/ dissolved oxygen relationship. I'm not in the position to comment on warmer water causing fish to use more oxygen. What I do feel is people sometimes confuse the "saturation" and "dissolved oxygen" terms. I also like the fact that this disscusion is making me think and study about things I normally wouldn't. Like you I too am looking for more information. Anything to make me a better fisherman all while helping me be less intrusive and harmful to the resource. For that I would like to say thanks.
One quick question. Does anyone know if there is any corralation between water temps and the release/ dispursement (sp) of lactic acid in a capture fish? |
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Location: Palm Coast, FL | I wish people in Indiana would lay off the muskie fishing until the water temps came back down. I know of quite a few (including guides) that are fishing right now with water temps in the mid to upper 80's! |
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| along the lines of Huskys thread, + encourage replicas rather then the actual fish.
I've heard people come back with the notion that anybody can have a replica made and not actually having caught the fish, seems kinda of silly to kill a fish for that reason.
I replica with a 8x10 of you holding the fish should alleviate the notion. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | or get orvis to open up some new stores and just build a fashion and home decor pattern around the lore and art of muskies and the equipment used to hunt them and quit hurting them altogether. |
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| Too end this conversation. STOP FISHING WHEN WATER TEMPS ARE SO FUC*** HOT!!!!!! Any thing over 80 degrees and stress to a musky will potentialy kill them. For REALMAN you must not know how long a musky takes to get to 45+ inches..They don't grow them at the DNR for 10 to 15 YEARS!!!! |
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| To continue to the real end of this conversation, if you want to be sure to not harm a muskie then don't hook it in the first place. Otherwise please stop shouting at other people about protecting the fish. Muskie police.... |
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