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Location: North Central IL USA | PIKEMASTER - 4/19/2011 8:25 AM
They don't make the Idurons anymore. Is the Akena a suitable replacement?
The Akena is a entry level reel, I would wait for the Isis or Cedros, should be out this spring /summer
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Location: Eagan, MN | anzomcik you're absolutely correct... I posted this same thing quite some time back... line per crank, handle length and maybe a little friction, that's it. One other thing I've noticed, while I love my Shimano reels, none of them have ever retrieved as much line per crank as advertised.... and that includes 400, 700te and t14. Not a big deal but something to consider.
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| Pikemaster all I can say is that you know what you are talking about. The following is completely wrong. The amount of force applied is exactly the same whether you have half a spool or a full spool. The force you apply will never change since it is a factor of where the line is attached, aka the spool to its center of mass. You need to over take the lever arm with force to achieve torque to turn the spool. Amount of added force will not change whether the spool is full or empty. These items never change whether we are talking about the distance from the center of the spool to the place where line is attached or the center of the reel handle to the end. If this was the case shimano would make the spool thicker and use less gearing in reels to achieve the amount of torque, not force we need to bring in a bait. When speaking in these terms make sure we use the correct terminology. Force is not the same at torque.
having a half full spool will decrease line retrieval like you said, which will increase your leverage over the bait. You will have to reel faster to achieve the same speed (obviously), but the force you have to put on the reel crank is less. A good way to think of it is that you can sort of turn a Revo Toro HS into a Revo Toro Winch by leaving the spool partially full. The only real difference between these two reels is line retrieval, and you could negate that difference by leaving the spool of the HS partially empty. I think it's pretty much universally agreed that the Winch has more crank power than the HS model, which supports the idea that a partially full spool will increase your torque |
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| 62 posts about gear ratio. you guys have out done yourselves.
some guys think think about stuff way more than they fish and you wouldn't need 62 posts to know. |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | 62 ? wow. - 4/19/2011 9:20 PM
62 posts about gear ratio. you guys have out done yourselves.
some guys think think about stuff way more than they fish and you wouldn't need 62 posts to know.
Your post if it had anything of KNOWLEDGE in it would have been #63, but U are right only 62.   |
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Location: Denmark | gregk9 - 4/19/2011 10:25 AM
PIKEMASTER - 4/19/2011 8:25 AM
They don't make the Idurons anymore. Is the Akena a suitable replacement?
The Akena is a entry level reel, I would wait for the Isis or Cedros, should be out this spring /summer
Copy that. Thanks!
The new Isis is out already, seen it on Ebay, alternatively you could get a Cardiff to the price of the Akenas. |
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Location: North Central IL USA | Kille
The new Isis is out already, seen it on Ebay, alternatively you could get a Cardiff to the price of the Akenas.
Good point. Probably be better to get a shimano over a Akena. |
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| I don't know much about much.......but I do know that I had to use my old school Abu 5000 with the 3.8 stump puller gears to reel in a twin-ten for more than 15 casts without being tired and disgusted. Even at that though, the thing was just barely crawling along.
Picked up a Saltist levelwind this spring on eBay. Couldn't help myself so the other day I was out 'eye fishing and I picked up my stick with the new Saltist on it and clipped on a double 10. Heard enough about this phenomenon and just HAD to find out.
What a difference. 6.1:1 ratio, but the thing pulls 10s in like butter. And fast. And fast AND like butter. It's almost like magic.
Like I said, I don't know much about much, and most of the time I'd rather not, but I do know that this reel is the cat's ass for dragging doubles.
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| I appologize up front if I missed this somewhere, but can someone answer a question for me. Say for instance my current reel is 5.3:1 ratio and picks up 24" of line per handle turn. If a went to a reel that had a 4.3:1 ratio but picked up 26" of line, am I correct in assuming that I would be able to reel my bait faster and with more power than my 5.3:1? |
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Location: Mt. Zion, IL | Guest,
The two biggest factors in making it hard to reel in are line pickup and handle length. If the line pickup is 24" per turn of the crank and the crank is 3" long from the mounting point, it will be harder to reel than a reel that has 27" of pickup with a 2.25" handle. If you give some ideas as to what reels you are talking about, most of the guys on here can tell you if it will be easier or harder to reel in the bait you are using. |
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| RyanJoz - 7/8/2011 11:45 AM
Guest,
The two biggest factors in making it hard to reel in are line pickup and handle length. If the line pickup is 24" per turn of the crank and the crank is 3" long from the mounting point, it will be harder to reel than a reel that has 27" of pickup with a 2.25" handle. If you give some ideas as to what reels you are talking about, most of the guys on here can tell you if it will be easier or harder to reel in the bait you are using.
I currently have a 6500c3 with standard handle but have a power handle ordered. I was looking at switching to the Alphamar or Saltis. |
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| All i know is that with my Toro winch, i can pull dbl 10's alot easier (on the same rod) as i can with a Abu 6500. There is no comparison. I think the gear ratio has a part in this. |
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Location: Mt. Zion, IL | A 6500 in any garcia reel is going to be tough to reel in 10's unless you are lucky enough to have an older C4 WINCH. A Revo Toro Winch or a 7000C3 will be much easier to reel in 10's with. I can bulge 10's with my 7000's easily. The secret with them is to fill them to the spool shoulder. |
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| Guest - 7/8/2011 12:11 PM
I appologize up front if I missed this somewhere, but can someone answer a question for me. Say for instance my current reel is 5.3:1 ratio and picks up 24" of line per handle turn. If a went to a reel that had a 4.3:1 ratio but picked up 26" of line, am I correct in assuming that I would be able to reel my bait faster and with more power than my 5.3:1?
When compairing those two reels you mentioned you have left out other information that is critical for the question you asked.
1.What is handle length of the reels?
2. Are the spools filled to the same dia. with line?
3. This might negate the first 2 questions, are the reels the same brand and model just different ratios? (this can play in the rigidness of the reels ie. Zebco 202 vs 400TE as an extreme example)
But with out that information, to answer your question I must assume everything is equal. You will not get a faster and morepowerful reel with the 4.6 reel. You will increase the length of line brought in per turn, but it will be harder to do. So if you crank the handle at the same rpm with the 4.3 reel as you would with your original 5.3 reel the bait will be moving faster at about 8% faster, but it would be 8% more effort on your part to do that.
My opinion would be in the real world if you had both of those reels in your boat, both had the same dc10 you would retrieve them at the same speed. But if you videoed it and watched the play back you would see you cranked the 5.3 reel more but it was easier, and the 4.3 took less turns but the effort needed was higher. You must remember the reel turns your human force into a straite line pull, and what you feel as a human is the baits drag in the water, so more retrieve per crank will mean more effort to move at a given speed. So the reel must be looked at as a unit, not just one aspect of "gear ratio"
So the 4.3 reel is a faster reel in terms of inches of line per turn of handle, but a less powerful reel because it is faster. When compairing apples, you cant have faster, and powerful in the same package. Everything is a trade off |
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Location: Okoboji | pulling blades sucks with any reel.... get a saltist and if you a player get a trini. |
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