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Posts: 619 | pretty sure it is happening right now.....most temps are around 58 to 63 degrees....alot of lakes are looking cloudy with algae on the top - the other day i could watch dead weeds floating up from the bottom | ||
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Posts: 1887 Location: syracuse indiana | this is a atricle that i have found on the subject and its a good one....bill Lake Turnover By R. Karl 10-19-08: Just an extra note, since this page seems to get a lot of views, especially in the fall of the year. Not all lakes experience turnover to the same extent or in the exact same way, due to things like depth, bottom structure and size. Very shallow lakes -- with little or no thermocline -- may experience little if any noticeable turnover. Large and very deep lakes will obviously take longer for the phenomenon to be completed. Water is quite possibly the most fascinating substance on earth. This is true for a number of reasons, not the least of which is that without water, life as we know it would not exist. In terms of humans, I recently heard of a new way to calculate how much water one should consume each day: Take one's body weight in pounds and divide it by two, and that is the number of ounces of water required daily! I am unaware of the requirements for other warm-blooded animal forms, but I do know that the cold-blooded species so cherished by sports enthusiasts -- fish like walleye, bass, northern pike and musky -- require a lot of water: fresh, clean and oxygen-laden H2O in order to survive. And a simple process referred to as lake turnover plays a very critical role in that survival process. Did I say simple? Well... it is, and then again it isn't. But I'll try to describe the process in as simple and non-technical a way as possible. I began the article by stating that water is fascinating, for a number of reasons. One of the more interesting reasons is due to a water molecule's amazing structure - its chemistry if you will. In nature, heat and cold change the physical properties of all substances in predictable ways. In general, as things get colder, they contract and become more dense/heavier; as they get warmer, they expand and become less dense/lighter. This principal holds for solids, liquids and gases. Water (able to exist in all three forms) as a liquid, contracts and becomes more dense as it gets colder... at least to a point. And that point is where the oddity owing to water's special chemistry comes into play, the one that keeps your favorite lake -- and your favorite gamefish -- healthy and happy. Something strange and wonderful happens when water reaches a temperature of approximately 390 Fahrenheit (40 Celsius). Well, it is wonderful for lakes and the life in them, not so for the roads on which we drive -- more on that later. In any case, as water cools to that temperature, it does, as predicted, contract and become more dense, ultimately sinking to the bottom of the lake and pushing the water it has displaced to the surface, where it too can cool. With continued cooling at the surface, the decreasing temperature should eventually cause all water to eventually freeze solid and sink to the bottom... meaning that the lake would freeze from the bottom up -- eventually destroying all life beneath the waves. Why then does this not happen? The chemistry of the water molecule dictates that at 390 (39.20 to be precise) Fahrenheit, water actually expands and becomes less dense, allowing it to float above the warmer water! The water that cools below that temperature, to 320, freezes and stays on the top, effectively capping the lake. it also stops further energy loss from the lake. Everything beneath the surface of the ice never gets any colder than 390. So how does all of this relate to lake turnover (which by the way can actually take place once or several times per season, depending on many additional factors)? Let's first consider the fall turnover. Starting in the spring and over the course of the summer, surface waters absorb a lot of the sun's energy and can heat extensively, causing them to become quite buoyant. Winds and storms can cause some mixing and do add some oxygen; atmospheric oxygen is added by the air-water interaction to the oxygen produced within the water by aquatic plants. But there is too much difference in temperature between the surface water and that at depth to allow for complete mixing of all the water in the lake. Because of the density-temperature relationship, many lakes in temperate climates tend to stratify, that is, they separate into distinct layers. The middle layer, known as the thermocline, acts as an effective barrier to any mixing of the deeper waters. Toward the end of summer, the deep water becomes quite depleted of oxygen because no mixing has taken place. As the days get shorter and cooler, and energy is transported away from/out of the lake, mixing becomes easier. At about 500, the cooler water (with a higher oxygen content) at the surface begins to sink into and through the thermocline, forcing warmer and less dense water to the surface, eventually erasing the temperature stratification built up over the summer. At some point, the majority of the water in the lake reaches an approximately uniform temperature. Now, storms and sustained high winds can begin to perform the task of overturning and mixing all of the water in the lake -- referred to as fall turnover. The deep water contains an abundance of decaying matter and sulfurous gases; when it reaches the surface, it produces a telltale odor that indicates the process has begun. Eventually the turnover mixes fresh oxygen into the entire lake mass, replenishing the deep waters with the life-giving stuff and cleansing the sulfurous fumes from the water, allowing fish to return to the depths where they will spend the winter months. As winter approaches, the water that has now reached 390 sinks to the bottom, allowing colder and less dense, buoyant water to remain at the surface to freeze. The ice thickens because it is not a good insulator; water in contact with the underside of the ice cools further and freezes, adding to the surface layer. A stratification similar to that of the summer months will occur in the water column during the winter months, but not to as great an extent. With the advent of spring, the warming/melting of the ice layer at the surface and the much smaller temperature differences in the water column, winds and storms are able to create a spring turnover with little difficulty. As the waters continue to warm, stratification begins again and the endless cycle continues. Mother Nature has performed her timeless and never-ending task, adding additional life-giving oxygen to the lake and readying it for the onslaught of another season of fishermen. Oh, yes -- remember the roads I mentioned earlier? Well, the same temperature and density changes that cause the expansion and contraction of water as it freezes and thaws -- part of the natural and positive process for lakes -- works the same way for the water that seeps into and under the roads on which we drive. As it freezes and thaws, expanding and contracting as the temperature continually moves up and down past 390, ultimately causes the potholes and cracks that are headaches for drivers and road crews alike. Just remember to take that bottle of beer out of the freezer before it explodes! As always, I hope to see you On the Lake! | ||
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Posts: 1887 Location: syracuse indiana | here is another too the affects of fall turnover and fishing! One reason you sometimes have a hard time catching fish this time of year might be fall turn-over. On most lakes there is a phenomenon that happens each fall as the water cools. During hot summer weather the top of the lake warms but the lower areas stay cooler. An area called the thermocline separates the two. Here is a good explanation of how turnover works. At the surface of a lake the water will be very warm and stays warm down to a certain level. For example, the surface might be in the 90 degree range in September while 15 feet deep it is 80 degrees. From 15 to 20 feet the temperature will drop fast - several degrees in a few feet, from 80 to 60 degrees in this example. Below 20 feet the water might be as cool as 60 degrees and it will stay that cool all summer. Unfortunately for the fish, this deep, cool water is very low in oxygen. Fish can not live long in it. A good depthfinder will show the thermocline because algae and protoplankton will form a layer there, and the deeper, colder water is much more dense. Fish are limited to spending most of their time in the upper levels of the lake. But as the surface cools in the fall, the top layer will suddenly mix with the lower layer, breaking the thermocline, when the surface layers get as cold as the lower layers. When this happens the stale deeper water mixes with the upper levels, and the whole lake may take on a murky look and have a bad smell. For a few days the fish don’t feed much. Then, after things settle down, the fish can scatter. After turn-over the whole lake has good oxygen content and fish can move anywhere. They are hard to pattern because they roam a lot for a few weeks before setting up on deeper winter structure. Watch for the fall turnover on your favorite lake. That will give you a good excuse for not catching fish! | ||
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