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| Wondering how much these reels differ in terms of construction and components. Are they any more or less durable than a Record or C3? |
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| They are much more durable. They start with a one piece frame as opposed to a multi piece frame on the round reels. The gears are oversized and they come with both instant anti reverse and standard anti reverse. |
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Location: Denmark | It depends how you look at it. The classic Ambassaduer has been around for nearly 60 years in it's present form, and has managed to survive, with only minor upgraded features until today. It's true that the Revo Toro reels on the paper is a more solid construction, but it is less easy to repair, and the Chinese made Revo has yet to prove itself, worrying is the large amount of cheap Chinese bearings, compared to the SKF's or even bronze bushings fitted in the classics.
One piece frame, is not a sign of quality, it's simply cheaper to produce, and is the easiest way to do an low profile reel.
Regarding the anti reverse; it is pretty easy to install an ekstra standard anti reverse to a classic reel, and some of the 5500 Jerkbait editions(Scandinavia only) already have it. But an ekstra anti reverse, does not make the reel any stronger, just gives you a backup if the IAR rollerbearing cracks.
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| I too have wondered , the book is still out on the revo's in my mind, I have used some revo's this season(friends reels), and yes the are smooth, fit good in the hand, but the long run is what we are all looking at. Myself I will stick with my Daiwa Millionaire Z's , Lunas and TE Calcuttas. Give the Revo's a couple of years to see how they really hold up. Scuttlebutt has it that Shimano is working on developing a better low profile to take on the revo's, time will tell.  |
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| First the Toro's are not made in China. Second they have been out for over two years and the failure rate is minescule to any other reel in it's price range, two years is more than enough to show if there are any problems with the reel.
As for the one piece frame being cheaper to make I'm not sure where you are getting your information but it costs a lot more to make a one piece frame than a multi piece frame like on the classics. The classics have held up good for years and they are great reels but with the people throwing the bigger baits they are not holding up like they were when a Mepps Musky Magnum was considered a big bait. They are still a great reel for the price though.
I will give you that the classics are easier to maitain then the low profiles.
THe big deal with the dual anti reverse is when fishing in the cold and the grease in the instant anti reverse bearing doesn't move as freely as when it's warmer out the standard anti reverse then will kick in. |
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Location: Iowa Great Lakes | Your right the Revos are not made in China, they are made in Korea.... IMO the Revo is the best muskie reel Abu currently produces... |
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Location: Denmark | @reelman
I get some infos from my job in engineering , as well as some, from colleges working at ABU in Svangsta. But maybe in the US or China, welding a one piece alloy frame is more costly than making a steel multi piece frame, but certainly not over here where the classics a still being made. But it all depends of the prices of the alloy, welding process and where it's assembled etc. Do remember that the Toro frame is welded, not CNC cut in one piece like the frame of the Shimano Calcutta.
And a classic is not just a classic, in Scandinavia you can buy specialized versions of the Classics, and we have some versions made especially for throwing large baits, that are different from, let's say a C3
For example the Jerk bait or the Predator series that is quite similar to the Inshore.
It has a steel frame, steel gears, Brass bushings, and an ekstra anti reverse, but it also costs a little more than the Revo Toro.
http://www.fiskesnack.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=13290&d...
I admit I am biased by living close to Svangsta, where the classics are produced.
But certainly the Revo Toro has it's strong points, one being the Larger diameter Bearings in the handle, a major problem on todays classic design, especially after adding the IAR bearings into the narrow handle caps, on the side plates of the classic. |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | Killerbug: The ABU 6500 reels are very old school reels, I have over 30 of them, some from the 50's to a new SNAKHEAD reel I got last year. I tune all my ABU 6500 reels with UT REEL TECHNOLOGY parts and they are updated reels BUT they do not hold a candle to the new TORO.  here is a pic of a SNAKEHEAD reel from ABU, it like putting lipstick on a pig 
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Location: Yahara River Chain | I've seen the catfish and muskie reel from Abu, but now a snakehead???? I don't want to even think about fishing for them
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| I've had a toro since last year. Have used big blades on it a good amount and so far no breakdown of the gears or anything like that. Its a good reel that works well for a wide range of baits. |
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| Great info and much appreciated.
Any difference in the gear options with regards to durability (winch, standard, and HS)?
I prefer 5.4:1 for most applications. |
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Location: Denmark | Yake Bait - 7/9/2010 5:32 PM
Great info and much appreciated.
Any difference in the gear options with regards to durability (winch, standard, and HS)?
I prefer 5.4:1 for most applications.
A lower gear in a fishing reel normally means more durability, due to a reduced number of teeth. |
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| Can a WINCH be changed over to 5.4:1 or vice versa by changing the pinion gear and main gear cog? I am tempted to try the WINCH for big bucktails and take a little wear and tear off of my arm / shoulder / wrist but have some concerns about picking up slack quickly when running twitch baits.
I am eyeballing this reel for my Okuma 9'3" H EVX rod which seems to throw just about anything with ease. Need a reel that has enough versatility to cover the bases.
I have done the gear conversion before between C3 and C4 with no problems and suspect that the same would apply on the REVO TORO. |
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| Pikemaster, I really dig the snakehead rig. As your profile photo would imply, you are truly the most interesting musky fisherman in the world.
Stay thirsty my friend. |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | If U buy the WINCH the 5.4:1 and the 6.4:1 gears will fit. The WINCH has a different brake system, it comes with a pitch centrifugal brake system, the Toro comes with a 6 pin brakes system, that U turn on or off.
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| I think the Revo could be the reel deal. I was so against using what i call a "bass" reel for muskie fishing, however, i had to try the Winch. Bought one and fished ONLY large blade bucktails for a week straight for countless hours. Worked perfectly and really does a nice job taking part of the pain out of throwing baits like this all day. I paired it with my Okuma 8'6" XXH rod and its a great setup. I even ordered a 5:1 Revo to try. I think these reels will hold up just as well as the rounds. |
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| Just got the Revo Toro model and I have to say that my first impression is very good. Question - how do you remove the side plates? The handle side has three screws, plus a lube access screw. With all 4 screws removed there feels like there is something holding it together still (do not want to force apart). The other side has no fasteners other than the top screw runs all the way across.
Want to open it up and set up the centrifugal drag. |
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| Found it...
http://www.ultimatekayakfishing.com/forums/Service-Abu-Revo-Toro-60...
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| To set the centrifugal cast control you do not need to take the handle side apart at all, just loosen the thumb screw and pop off the left side. |
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Location: Bemidji | I bought two Revos last year and they lasted almost the entire season. In October both thumbars would not come up. I was impressed by their performance and this fall I purchased 5 more. These reels were to be used by my clients. I sent back the Revos that I bought last year to Abu and instead they sent me two new ones. From day one this year we experienced problems with them. Not a single reel made it two weeks. Three of the Revos would not get what I consider a tight drag. On two fish when setting the hook three feet of line came out. The exposed screw on top of one of the Revos was not even threaded. On another Revo, my friend set the hook into a fish and it literally blew up in his hands. This was on film and will be shown to explain the importance of using a quality reel. It was a nice fish and got away. And finally the last two Revos sqealed so bad my ears couldn't take it any more. I brought all seven Toros back to the place that I bought them and purchased all new Shimano TE's. I trust the round TE's and have had great results with them in the past. |
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| Kevin, You might want to look at what you are doing to the reels. Going through that many reels that no one else has problems with tells me that you are doing something wrong to the reels. All reels are mechanical tools and they will break if you don't treat them properly. |
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Location: Bemidji | Not doing anything wrong with the reels. Drags not getting tight, a screw that was not threaded, reels blowing up on hooksets all on reels that are less than two weeks old. The first run of Revos are different than what is out there now. I have heard others having issues with the new Revos. |
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