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| That a 48" muskie was killed by an angler (not a guide) who has 6 other fish of the same size on his wall on Pewaukee yesterday.
I wont mention any name and will delete anyones post who does mention his name....but hopefully he will see our reponse to killing a fish for the fun of it.. and learn that its not the coolest thing to do.
I guess the excuse was...it got hit by the prop while fighting it....hmmmmmmmmmmm[:blackeye:]
No one has caught a 50" this year on Pewaukee, some close, but not a true 50". The more high forty's fish that get killed just lessens the chances. Pewaukee (8) 50" killed in 1995....and two every year after that.
Sorry...Had to vent!....Glad I moving to an area where the large fish get released to fight another day.[;)] [:)] |
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| It is your legal right to do so but...Come'on man...
Had this been your first trophy of that size I would say congratulations and next time please consider a replica...but six on the wall the same size....
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The fish you killed was 14-18 years old.....!! May it be another 14 years before you catch another that size...maybe you'll understand just how long that really is... Prop mark or not, it had zero chance of survival in your frezer.
Dude....you wanna eat fish...please learn the phrase.
"I'd like that supersized with a shake please"....
McThank You...[:sun:]
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| Please whoever you are keep in mind the health of the fishery. A lake can only hold so many big fish. I have experienced first hand the effects of other people on the lake keeping a lot of fish. Man you don't think it would hurt the lake as much as it does but does it ever. The lake that was once around the best in the state has now turned into one If i didn't live so close to would fish about the least. It might have it's moments but could be alot better most of the time. You tell me well they stock it every year. What'd those guys figure that fish was like 12 - 14 years old! Once you take a lot of big fish takes a while to have another batch of big fish. Just somethin think about. |
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| No talking sense into that guy, with that many fish on his wall, he obviously is very selfish and does not care about anything else but himself. I hope he does not have any kids. |
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| Hey Jason,people up here keep em too.I know of a guy whom has kept 9 muskies this year (from a large local lake that starts with W),one being over 50"s.Then there are a group of people that fish a local river system and keep EVERY legal they get,any smaller fish are dicarded like trash! These guys use single hook rigs and on the smaller ones,cut the line,therefore killing that fish too.Oh,did I mention they,about 5 or 6 of them including a kid or 2,use 3 rods per person,which is thier right,but don't stop till everyone has thier limit! And you think it is bad in Pewaukee???Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but it happens in too many places.Now before I get crucified,I am a C & R type guy,I don't have a problem with 1 for the wall,but not one every day!Paul |
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| Paul,
What has your MI club done to prevent such a problem, signs, public information talks, speaking with other bass ect. clubs to get everyone working together, articles in the local newspaper all help save a muskie or two.
Also if the public opinion is that revenue is brought in then yes, they will put preasure on those who dont practice CPR. I complain about Pewaukee, yet the public opinion, and DNR surveys show 99% release. Its amazing what can be done with lots of good "PR".
Has that been done, or do I have my work cut out for me. |
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| Jason,I am not sure what the MI club has done,Jono would be the one to ask.I do know that the club has meetings and several memebers fish Wissota.The guy I know of is an "old timer" who believes that any legal fish is food,doesn't matter if it is a bass,walleye or pike.The group I was speaking of feels the same way,only they mainly fish for muskies in the fall.Both of these fishermen,if I should be so polite,are strictly meat hunters.What could you do or say to change thier minds? I don't know off hand but I do know that you will have your work cut out.Let me know what I can do to help.Paul |
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| I often get trashed and bashed for posting on this type of thread, and yet this is the kind of thing that all musky anglers should be paying attention to in our continuing efforts to improve, and expand the fishery. These kind of pressures are not isolated and in fact lead to "negative education" for the anglers these fellows come in contact with over the course of a season and during the off season. The message they are sending out is that it is fine to kill a bunch of fish, large and small.
This raises a question I have been thinking about and that is has anyone developed a simple poster denoting musky growth, musky releasability, musky recatchability, and the importance of releasing smaller legal fish to be the base of a trophy population in the future or just to be there for the next guys big thrill. It occurs to me that something like this would be fairly easy to draw up, cheap to place and might be a very good "contact education tactic" when placed AT the boat landing. It also might put a little pressure on these fellows that keep bringing them in, knowing that poster is right there and the people putting their boat in, or standing around checking out the catches, may be reading it and judging them.
Anybody aware of a poster like this? I have seen the "know the difference" posters and think they are good but are there any simple posters like this, denoting the how what and why for musky release? |
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| If the folks mentioned in this post are truly meat hunters, I sincerely doubt anything said or done will change them and their catch/kill tactics. All we can really do is educate other anglers who are at present not truly a part of either of our camps, the catch/kill society or our total catch/release society. For those, I submit that any type of advertisement will probably be beneficial. Be it, continued posts such as this, word of mouth, or posters as mentioned by FSF. I think we just need to be aware of the fact that there will always be folks who keep large fish, fish that we would put back. Let's just hope we can continue to increase our PCR club numbers while theirs (catch/kill) are reduced by attrition. |
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| Maybe more stories like this will make you think more about a slot size limit. 40 to 48 or 50 have to go back in the water. Pewaukee I think would really benifit from this type of limit.
Just more food for thought
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| Consider yourself slammed![;)] I don't know the guys name. If I did, I'm not sure I would post it, as I believe there are a few fanatics out there, and wouldn't trust them not to harass him. I do know he has been approached on the value of CPR, and has not responded to the educational approach taken. Would be nice if 5 of the 6 or 7 big fish he's mounted would have been released. Some people just refuse to see the value of CPR, and perhaps never will. Not much we can do, I guess.[:(]
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| Don P., always good to hear from you on any issue. I am more in favor of education posters at this time emphasizing the additional weight, length and all around thrill that can be reinserted into the fishery by release. I would be real worried that the good fishery present in Pewaukee, (and I have fished and enjoyed it) would be devastated by any encouragement to remove fish before the slot. Maybe J. Smith would have more insight on that since I know he is very familiar with that population.
I have however been thinking alot about slot limits lately and think I have come up with an excellent study lake in IN called Webster.
Heavy population from what I have heard, excellent potential for a trophy, and may need to thin them some when they are smaller?
What about that one?[:bigsmile:] You could maybe slot them from 43 to 52" in there and thin everything below that? The smaller fish in that lake may be a little stressed.
Until then, are you familiar with any posters similar to what I am asking about? Thanks.
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| Don,
I can't see how you can think a slot size will work the same for muskies as it would for bass and walleye. Managing a fish that is on the top of the food chain (a musky) can not be treated like a fish that is more of a abundant species (bass/walleyes) . Plus take into consideration that a bass or walleye slot size is imposed to protect the healthy spawners. Pewaukee has very little if none when it comes to the muskies natural reproduction.
A overly large size limit might not be the answer either. For now catch and release with releasing the larger fish is a must! |
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| Not getting in a debate over this again but if you have a law that fish between two sizes have to go back you are protecting them. Thats what its all about. Putting them back so they get bigger. Whats not to work? If you put them back they will be there another day. The slot certainly is better then watching the big ones being harvested.
Yes too many muskies in a body water can cause problems as stress. Stress on the food chain and that leads to stress on the predators. Thats why thinning out some of the smaller ones and creating a trophy fishery with a slot will work. Will you maybe catch as many, probably not. Will you catch more big fish, YES!
I again say its not for every lake but some for sure. Through continued stocking you can maitain year classes if no natural reproduction. What we have is a catch a release ethic that has grown in leaps and bounds. now its time to make more trophy waters. I believe the slot will do that.
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| Can't resist.
Don,
We could argue the point of slot limits and what it can or can't do all day. If you can get a slot done it's got to be better than 34" so I'd be all for it.
As far as the guy who has 6 fish on his wall....
Congrats! Please continue to fish Peawaukee! |
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| Got anymore Motown titles?[;)] Couldn't resist either...[:knockout:] |
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| Anon...
The story is true!
I just dont believe in using names to talk about a subject. The persons ID has nothing to do with the real subject at hand. The subject of how many fish do you REALY need on the wall. If you already have fish the same size. Do you need one more?
Slots are touchy...you must first have the forage base to handle it.[;)] |
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| Pewaukee(notice I'm not calling it PeeWaukee anymore?)Lake is managed by the WI DNR as a numbers lake. There was a push by the Milwaukee Chapter of MI to get the minimum size limit increased, to try to get it managed as a trophy lake. No dice. The chapter has headed/funded a tracking study the past 5 or 6 years by the Lutheran College, and this spring included a study on (non)reproduction. I don't believe the results have been published yet.
The point is, it's extremely difficult to get the DNR in this state to raise size limits or impose slot limits on any body of water. Especially when it comes to muskies. I'm not really sure if it's all political, or if the fishery managers are too cautious, or just flat out doing a bad job. Guess it doesn't really matter.
What we need to try to do is educate on that value of C & R. I'm afraid that this individual will never see the light. Lots of disposable income on this lake, so money is eveidently not an issue to keep getting these fish mounted. Also heard that the mounts aren't even that good. Those that know this guy have talked with him, and I believe will continue to try to convert him. I hope someday they are successful. Name does not matter, as Jason said.
Tight Lines,
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| Aslot is retiuning the fish to the sytem. On some lakes you would need to harvest fish between 34 and 40 to keep a balance in proportion to the food source. Alot of bigger will eat alot of food and you don't want to muc competiton for the food base or you'l get long skinny fish.
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