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| cmartin - 12/1/2009 11:19 AM
FSF,
I get one of your points - that to you, muskie fishing is just not complicated enough, just too easy. Then I would say you should probably start making it harder for yourself. Bring yourself back to the good ol' days when it posed a challenge. Maybe take the hooks off your lures and then go trolling. It will add a whole new dimension to such an easy task....jk
Chas Martin
http://www.muskymastery.com
Over time I have come to the conclusion that successful musky fishing is much more about faith, opportunity, and tenacity, than it is about being the brightest bulb in the carton. You can musky fish by many methods, but all methods boil down to what you ELIMINATE, and that is why it becomes simple to troll. You wanna cast? Simple also. You wanna pound, even simpler. I could make it harder, or pretend it was harder, just like I could pretend that my musky IQ jumped 40 points when I switched from Lake Vermillion to northern WI late this summer. Other fisherman have discovered some very successful methods for catching musky that I don't even want to try. I don't consider them complicated, but dissatisfying might cover a bunch of them. Jigs, rubber, pounding, double 10's, fishing deep. All good numbers and size producers. Just not very thrilling for me, and frankly when I dip into them, my heart isn't in it. Trolling, excellent for size and numbers, and EASY to do if you choose to do it. Done it. Eliminate casting, and trolling becomes a LOT simpler. Not satisfying for me, but easy.
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| FSF so youve made your point, you hate trolling, so why knock others for doing it?
I dont find any satisfaction in running 1 rod out the back of the boat if thats your version of trolling. That is easy, that is mind numbing,
but 6 or more, there is never a dull moment, it is far from easy,
and doesnt automatically put fish in the boat. You still have to pick stuff apart just like you do for casting, except there are a lot more variable in it than throwing your black n silver bucktail out and reeling it in.
You and I would never be able to fish together, I love jigs, some rubber, deep suspended fishing too, pretty much anyway I can catch a fish I will give an honest run at. I fish in some of the dumbest condtions too. all because Im addicted to muskies, Only thing dumb in my eyes about fishing muskies is not being open minded and trying new things or using everything in your arsenal to catch one.
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| "Over time I have come to the conclusion that successful musky fishing is much more about faith, opportunity, and tenacity, than it is about being the brightest bulb in the carton."
FSF, I agree with you on the traits that you say are important but I think that the consistent winners on tours such as the PMTT and WMT have more than faith, opportunity and tenacity working for them. I bring tournaments into this because I feel that a tournament is a very true test of "who is the best" on a given day. The consistent winners understand things that other anglers do not understand. They do not beat them out with more casting and willpower. To me it is all about strategy and brains. I think that being smarter than the pack is part of what separates winners from average anglers. Everyone out there can throw with the best of 'em.
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Location: Ogden, Ut | This is getting so fun...wait, is that a chum slick above me?
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| sorenson - 12/1/2009 5:25 PM
This is getting so fun...wait, is that a chum slick above me?
S.
Another genuinely funny post in this thread! 
You other guys gotta do a better job of reading my posts, you're creating positions for me faster than I can occupy or deny them.
And now the only successful trollers for musky are the consistent tournament winners? What? How does it get to that? LOL!
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| I'm just trying to keep things interesting!!!!! It's off-season discussion time...!
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | FSF, I did so try to warn them...
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| Trolling has produced the Biggest Muskies close to a World Record in the past few years! |
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Location: Warroad, Mn | Oh come on FSF, you know that you love to troll! Rememeber that big one from Green River. You couldn't wait to tell me. We'll do a little trolling this winter, should be fun. Good work in keeping this thread going! Doug Johnson |
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Location: The desert | I think FSF got some satisfaction out of this thread..... |
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| Four pages long now...that's gotta "feel" good, huh TommyTwitchbait? I don't know...maybe you were genuine, and actually believe that stuff. But it seems intended to stir up argument more than anything.
Because it's hard to completely believe that when there have been years worth of information put out now on productive trolling techniques verses non-productive, that someone could "feel" that way. It just not an educated position to state that casting is a superior to trolling as the accepted musky hunting approach. (You did disqualify it as "not Muskie hunting".)
Either technique can be equally done in an educated or non-educated fashion. And for those who say that Sworall is making it more complicated than it is with his posts---OK, sure---you can always catch a few by pure luck. Just like you can with casting. But if you're a successful musky HUNTER, you're going to be applying the best trolling methods presented over a period of years now.
I'm all for Musky HUNTING, but the goal is to CATCH one, too. And if trolling can up the odds, I'm ALL for gving it a shot now and then.
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Location: The desert | Hawkeye - 12/3/2009 11:08 AM
Four pages long now...that's gotta "feel" good, huh TommyTwitchbait? I don't know...maybe you were genuine, and actually believe that stuff. But it seems intended to stir up argument more than anything.
Because it's hard to completely believe that when there have been years worth of information put out now on productive trolling techniques verses non-productive, that someone could "feel" that way. It just not an educated position to state that casting is a superior to trolling as the accepted musky hunting approach. (You did disqualify it as "not Muskie hunting".)
Either technique can be equally done in an educated or non-educated fashion. And for those who say that Sworall is making it more complicated than it is with his posts---OK, sure---you can always catch a few by pure luck. Just like you can with casting. But if you're a successful musky HUNTER, you're going to be applying the best trolling methods presented over a period of years now.
I'm all for Musky HUNTING, but the goal is to CATCH one, too. And if trolling can up the odds, I'm ALL for gving it a shot now and then.
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| First of all it's TwithbaitTommy eyeHawk.....secondly, it's fun to stir things up a bit and perhaps make people realize that they take things a little too seriously....everyone count to ten....exhale....however, I still think trolling stinks which is why I deliberately chose not to put a kicker on my rig which may come to bite me for resale purposes........................................................................ KICKER-LESS BOAT OWNERS UNITE! AND STAND FIRM AGAINST THE TYRANNY OF THE TROLLERS!!!!
Editor's Note: Two guys, first one using AT&T and the second Road Runner. |
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Location: Twin Cities | Hmmm, I don't have a kicker but i troll....uh oh.... |
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| Kickers are nice to have when you have main motor failure! Lets see... in the last 7 years I have been in 4 boats that have had the big motor die - everytime we were serveral miles from "anywhere" - one time we had a kicker, no problem.....the other three times...well I'm alive but NOT fun!
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Location: Ames, Iowa | Schuler and Brad Nelson said it best. It's work, and you make a lot of mistakes in boat control and placement as you learn... if you're trying to do it right. I get the idea some of you think it's an easy way to catch fish. Not easy at all- unless you mean just driving about aimlessly, eatin lunch and drinking a pop waiting to get lucky. That's easy...that's not trolling, it's wasting gas. Some of you are real elitists. Welcome to winter. |
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| Elitists?
I has been fun watching everyone argue about where in the hierarchy of musky mastery trolling falls. It was a nice change of pace from arguing about where you fish, what you fish with, or out of, or with whom, and with what methods... Not to mention the arguments over who is better because of length, girth, numbers of fish, biggest fish, years of fishing, type of boat, size of motor, what state you fish in, how you measure your fish, how you hold them, what sort of net you use, whether it's ok to put them in the livewell, what temperature you should stop fishing them for and if you should even take a 40 inch fish out of the water for a picture...
I don't know. Seems to me that most of the people here have forgotten what the fishing is supposed to be all about. Makes me wonder if any of them ever have any fun out there anymore...
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| FSF is the Al Gore of the fishing world...pretty simple... |
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Location: oswego, il | I seen FSF go 100 yards from the launch, make two casts and catch a 36" fish on a lake he had never been on before. The temps were in the 40's, he was wearing shorts and he was barefoot. All of the aforementioned is true and completely relavent to this thread. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | FSF is soooooooooo far afield from Al Gore it's like comparing a banana with a meat grinder.
Serious.
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Location: Brookfield, WI | When I'm old, a little older than Steve, I'm going to eat banana run through a meat Grinder.
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Location: Not where I wanna be! | fair chase - 11/26/2009 12:31 PM
Trolling is a lazy mans sport. clearly. A lot easier way to fish than casting.
I like being lazy!
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