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| The only time I think an acceleration is needed is when trolling at a slower speed and on an inside turn rod. A somewhat sharp turn will slow that inside rod down significantly and create unwanted slack in that inside line. Acceleration can be usefull in this instance, in that it will take the slack out of the line and initiate the hookset. Fishing by your self this manuever is not a problem. Once line has regained proper position reduce speed. |
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Location: Roseau | Targo01 and I troll together. He said it right that you need a good partner while trolling. Try catching a fish in 40 mph on LOTW with a couple of lines out and the boat is rockin! Just make sure each person knows what to do, in calm conditions or windy conditions, because we all know, things are alot harder to do in the wind!!
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Location: oswego, il | I would never gun it when a fish is on. I take the motor out of gear only when somebody has taken the rod out of the rod holder. What happends very often while trolling is that the momoentum of the boat brings the fish forward. Often times the fish will swim forard with the boat. If you put it in nuetral before the rod is picked up, the fish can gain several feet towards the boat. Slack is not good. Same thing happens with a planer board, I have seen a fish gain 10 feet taking a board off. I use a board now I do not have to take off the line which helps greatly. Anything you can do to control the slack is a huge plus. |
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Location: MadCity Wisconsin | I agree with Todd, never gun the motor when a fish strikes the bait. I troll in a console model Lund. When a fish hits the first thing I do is mark the GPS at the location of the strike. I do this for two main reasons. I will go back to the exact spot minutes later and many times pick up another fish. The second reason is it gives the fish a few seconds to maintain a solid hook set without giving the fish slack line. I then cut my throttle speed 50% and grab the rod.
AFTER I have rod in hand, putting pressure on the fish, I cut the throttle to neutral and fight the fish. With 3 lines out,(Wisconsin allows 3 per angler) one being a planer board setup all I have to do is clear one other line by quickly reeling in with a free hand and I can fight the fish.
When I first started trolling I lost fish by getting too excited and immediately cutting the throttle to zero, thus giving the fish slack line. You will lose many trolled fish by doing this.
IMHO, I think you will rip a few muskie lips by increasing throttle speed after a strike. Take a few seconds, mark your GPS and then pick up the rod.
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| Tom we need to find you a hobby lol. Anyway it is possible to change the mass. However one small detail is that the boat would have to be moving at 299,792,458 meters per second. Special Relativity. |
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Location: Green Bay, WI | Shane Mason - 5/1/2009 10:24 AM
Tom we need to find you a hobby lol. Anyway it is possible to change the mass. However one small detail is that the boat would have to be moving at 299,792,458 meters per second. Special Relativity.
Thank you Dr. Einstein, but I don't think the Verado is quite that fast...
But I've got a hobby--two actually:
1) Math
2) Muskies
(Not necessarily in that order.)
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Location: Lake City,Pa. | Seeing that we troll 50% of the time we have never lost a fish so far on a hook up trolling. The fish is already hooked! Before you take the boat out of gear take the rod out of the holder and give it a tug not a big tug mind you just enough to make sure the fish is still on. As for setting your drag, do not crank it up. Set the drag just so the reel will not click depending on you boat speed. Are rule of thumb is if you reel starts to click, 1/4 turn more on the drag. |
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Location: north central wisconsin | Never lost a fish on a hook up trolling?? That is fantastic man!!! We have had some great days, going 100%, but there are the occasionals where we end up 2 for 5 or 0 for 3 as well, just happens that way for us sometimes. Would like to think our hookup ratios are as good as anyones around here(GB), but I would love to get better, and 100% would really be sweet!
That said, I don't ever speed the boat up on a hit, as I typically have a better hookset % trolling than casting no matter our rate of speed. However, I could see where going a bit faster might lessen the time to 'straighten' things out when running inline planer boards, taking the direct fight to the fish quicker. Just something else to ponder...
Also, matt and judy bring up a good point. Seems if I speed up a tad, it is easier for my lures to 'click' out line. Could be making my lure run deeper, causing more drag I suppose. On that same note, when I water ski, if an innexperienced driver guns it while pulling me up or while already on plane, it can feel like my shoulders are being yanked out of position.....
Edited by Reef Hawg 5/1/2009 2:25 PM
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| Basically all my trolling is now done with the camera attached, so speeding up may occur only to entice a strike of a following fish. I let the loaded rod set the hook after they pop the release. |
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Location: WI | Sorry Man, couldnt resist poking the bear on that one  I felt bad too, because I know how much other stuff you have going on. But I really got a cool visual of "Stewey" (thats "his" nickname now) getting some seat time in a particle accelerator. I would pay to see that show. Does anyone ever REALLY win in a "geek off" ???? Hopefully we will have another hobby here for you soon
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Location: Green Bay, WI | Well, I might have neglected to mention some of my *other* hobbies..
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| One thing that I will add to Trolling and when to take the trolling motor out of gear.I always leave the motor in gear until someone has cotrol of the rod to keep tension on the fish.On water with no current I simply take the boat out of gear when someone has control of the rod and tension.But in river current and wind the situation will be much different.When fishing in a river or into the wind I will turn out to the side so that you are even with the fish as you drift down stream or with the wind then I will netraul the kicker motor.If you go out of gear and your going up stream or into the wind you will drift to the fish causing slack or be on top of a green fish instantly.Try neting a fish with your boat being pushed toward the net,sometimes the net will turn inside out showing the fish the bottom of the bag! |
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Location: WI | Sadly enough, Quantum Mechanics is one of my "hobbies". Trolling however is not my favorite past time, when forced to troll you can usually find my laying down in the bottom of Reef Hawgs boat keeping an eye out making sure the blimp doesnt land on us. (I keep an eye on the important stuff ;)) Although it shouldnt be a problem with the stereo system Reef Hawg put in even the blimp should hear us coming. Little known secret is that the GB muskies love "Me First and the Gimmee Gimmees" |
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Location: Warroad, Mn | Tom:
You're worrying about the wrong thing. Much more important to locate the fish. A boat trolling will take care of hooking the fish. I've caught lots of fish trolling and we don't do much but stop the boat and reel in the fish.
I also like math, but I don't think it applies here!
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Location: Green Bay, WI | Well Doug, I learned long ago that when math doesn't seem to apply, a person needs to learn more math...
But you're right about concentrating on finding fish--but remember, this is Green Bay. It's EASY to catch 50" muskies on Green Bay when trolling. You really don't even have to try, hardly. Just ask anybody who voted against the 54" size limit--these things lay on the surface and wave down boats with their pectoral fins. You hardly even have to use a lure...just go over and net them. (Personally, I think those people should spend some more time studying math, but that's just my opinion.)
As to the question at hand, I shift it into neutral pretty quickly and reel in the fish as well. But you should see some of the things I've seen out there. I guess I just thought this thread would be a good safety reminder for those guys trolling out there come opening day.
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Location: north central wisconsin | I don't think the muskies like the metal much at all. The other boats just hate it enough that we end up with several quality acres to ourselves most days... I didn't even think Mason heard Me First and Gimmie Gimmies that day, judging by the puddle drool on the floor near his melon. It is impressive, the quickness he exhibits in jumping for the net when a clicker goes off. Just wish he wouldn't be sleep walking when my wife brings a musky to the side of the boat...... Gotta hand it to the dude though. I don't know too many people who keep a near full time guide client list very satisfied throughout the fall in Forest county, and still somehow show up and spend 6-10 hours a day on the bay with us 2 counties to the south east... I do know that stock in Monster energy drinks, Morning Glory choco milk, and Jack Links Terryaki sticks all take a mysterious hike come mid October.... |
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Location: Green Bay, WI | Ah...I knew that caffeine somehow played a HUGE role in that endeavor. But there are medications a person can take to help with all that uncontrollable drooling!
Maybe it's time for an intervention? I think we need to talk.
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| Here's my feeble math:
Hooked fish + tight lines = more fish landed
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Location: Green Bay, WI | That'll work...
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Location: Lake City,Pa. | Just one note seems to be not talked about is what rods, line, leaders, rod holders and reels should be used when trolling. Our boat has a planer board mast to downriggers ,witch all can be installed in no amount of time, thanks to Bert's Custom tackle. Now you have to realize that we own a 2003 Crestliner SuperHawk walk thru windshield 16' model and room is very limited. We can switch from casting to trolling in no amount of time as long as Judy steers the boat straight, lol. Rod Holders: Downeasters (The best period) Outrods: 10' Erie Series glass dipsey diver (H) spooled with 45# lead core and seagar 4 1/2 ' leaders. Stern Rods or down riggers rods: 8' Okuma glass (MH) spooled with 80# whiplash and seagar 2 1/2' leaders. Downriggers. Cannon sport troll (2) Planer board mast : Cannon (custom made attachment so it will lock into front seat base) Thanks Bob. Reels: All Okuma line counters This all plays an major role in trolling period.
Edited by PunchandJudy 5/4/2009 3:58 PM
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Location: The desert | I'm a high tech troller......Hold rod in hands, no sonar, no GPS, no planer boards, using braid line, no line counter. Got a 31 incher yesterday, must be doing something right. |
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Location: Green Bay, WI | Yes, but were you singing a Peter Gabriel tune?
If not, then I'd say it was just plain luck...
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Location: The desert | To be honest I don't really remember what was playing on the Ipod. Surprisingly not rap, I know that much. |
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