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| I replied to a topic on the Musky Hunter Board with this question..... but figured I'd make it a topic here.
Just what exactly is considered a fast retrieve?
What I mean by this is what do you use to gauge or measure speed? Time it takes to bring the lure from point of entry to pulling out of the water? Average traveling speed during the retrieve?
For example, I cast out a jointed crankbait and SLOWLY reel it back to the boat. It takes 30 seconds to complete the retrieve. Then, I put a straight model crankbait on and make a cast of equal length.... but work it like a jerkbait with fast bursts of acceleration and then long pauses. This retrieve also takes 30 seconds to complete. Is one considered a FASTER presentation than the other?
Just something to think about...... |
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| Speed of retrieve in my eyes ISN'T a measure of how long it takes for like lengthed casts to be completed, in my eyes it's more the APPEARENCE of speed. A quickly twitched jackpot may APPEAR to be coming to the boat quickly, but in actuality, the TIME it takes to get to the boat maybe the same that if it is pulled rythmically to the boat. Same theory holds with an erratically jerked glder. The fish will, in my estimation, PERCIEVE the bait to be moving faster, even if the amount of lateral (from start of cast to boat) space covered is not done so in a faster pace.
Slamr
*damn, I might be ready for ERC being able to babble that effectively! |
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| I would say that both constitute a slow retrieve, with a variation. A fast retrieve may mean a very different thing to me as opposed to someone else. Explaining speed is easier for me using a bucktail as an exsample. This again will depend upon lure weight, blade configuration etc.
Let's use a #5 Mepps as our lure of choice.
Fast Retrieve: Any speed that keeps this lure from 6" below the surface to bulging the top I would consider "fast".
Med. Retrieve: Any speed at which the lure runs from 6" below the surface to just out of site range. This of course also depends on waer clarity. So for arguments sake I would say with this lure a depth of from 6" to about 3.5' would be a medium retrieve.
Slow retrieve: This is pretty much from 3.5' to bottom or the weed tops if they are down far enough.
That's the way I think of things anyway. Adapt those speeds to your other lures and that's my ideas about speed of retrieve.
I know that there is much more to speed than this but it is a starting point. Sometimes slow is just tipping the weed tops. While fast is just barely keeping your lure in the water. The whole speed thing changes greatly as far as explaination when dealing with jerk baits, topwaters etc. Sometimes retrieve speed is much more of a feeling than an actual tangible thing to be measured. Fast for me, may not be fast for you. |
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| A FAST retrieve is a manuever used when another boat is approaching YOUR spot![;)] Actually a fast retrieve to me is moving a bait quickly from the cast impact area back to the prior casting position.... |
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| Reel speed is really rarely looked at carefully. Muskies can swim at over 30 MPH for short bursts. How fast can one reel? The average I have takes up about 24" per handle rotation, so if one casts about 60', average, the 30 second rule Jlong lists applies with many presentations. That puts the bait at under 1 1/2 miles an hour, or 1/15 of what the fish can cover quickly. That is slightly slow for trolling speed.
I have a high speed reel I am estimating can get about 6 miles an hour really cranking the thing; still 1/5 as fast as the fish can swim. I think the trick is getting the lure in front of the fish, moving it quickly, giving them time to react, and then strike. I move a creature nearly vertically at bursts of 6 MPH for 2 seconds, but then the lure sinks back to the bottom at under 3/4 a mile an hour, allowing for targeting of the strike. Glide baits do the same thing as Slamr said, but the speed is from side to side, not forward. Burning a bucktail at 5 is really moving it, and is VERY tiring, but it works sometimes if one can stand the technique for any period of time.
This make any sense at all?[:knockout:] Math like this makes my head hurt. |
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| Fast retrieve to me is measured by two things.
#1- How fast I can work the lure before it's action is ruined. Some lures just don't work well when their optimum speed is pushed past the limit.
#2- How physically demanding it is to work the lure at fast speed. There are some lures I wouldn't be able to throw and speed up the retrieve without killing myself.
First thing that comes to mind is burning bucktails. Bucktails are very productive when run at peak speed and the design of the lure is condusive to it being run at either high or low speed. With the right rod/reel/blade size, you can burn bucktails and not be exhausted by doing it. I don't think that I'd want to try to burn deep diving cranks all day. That's a technique best reserved for trolling.
I guess fast retrieve would be the fastest you could retrieve a lure without killing the lures action or yourself.
Which means 'fast' is alot slower to me and Sworral than it is to all the young bulls.
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| I believe that every bait has an optimum speed at which it will be most productive over the course of a year. I measure speed for the baits I build by depth in the water. 8 inches to a foot under is my optimal speed for spinnerbaits and charmers. Anything under that is slow, anything over that is fast. It's a way for me to gauge how much attention I'm paying to my presentation. Boat speed plays a big factor for me also. I'm the type that hits lots of good spots fast as opposed to concentrating on a certain spot. Unless I'm working a big fish. Keeping the bait at that depth allows me to work areas quickly and still cover them fairly well.
Brian |
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