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Location: Land of the Musky | Just an FYI but I always wanted a 2lb Bulldawg and just picked one up a few weeks ago delivered for $23 on eBay and it is brand new. Lots of good deals there if you search "musky lure" or "muskie lure".
James
PS-No, I do not plan on making a 2lb SuperD...ever  |
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Location: Des Moines IA | I bought a 2 lber on Ebay for a good price also. Threw it enough to make me sore for days. Then luckily, it went to the bottom of Presque Isle Lake after a backlash. Never again. |
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| sworrall - 11/17/2008 4:18 PM
So if Musky Innovations builds a better mousetrap, you will not use it because you didn't like what they USED to make?
How many generations of "better" mousetraps have to fail before you stop spending money on their products, Steve?
-First it was the seven strand models, which eventually failed when the seven strand corroded and fatigued.
-So they made the bait with a solid wire harness, which bent when you casted it and caused the bait not to run right. Spent as much time tuning them as I did casting them.
-Then there were the flat tailed inection molded model, which just didn't have the action the older models did.
-After that was the softer plastic that came apart casting.
-Then it was harnesses breaking.
-Then it was cheap split rings.
As someone who has spent a considerable amount of money on "new and improved" MI products that weren't really improved, I have to question whether the new one that will be on the shelves will really be ready for the market.
Remember the first generation chatterbait? Remember the realfish? Remember 5 generations of bulldawgs that all had some sort of quality issues?
I'm not out to throw stones at anyone. For their sake I really hope they hit one out of the park here. I would LOVE to see a bulldawg that does what we've all been wishing them to do, which is not break so easily. But in my experience over the last 5 years, they are 0 - 8. IF they put a product out there that really IS an improvement, I might buy it. But I've thrown way too much money at their stuff already and been continually dissapointed by the quality.
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| I don't know about anyone else here, but I have been hit pretty hard by the economy forcing me to think about price and quality of the lures (anything for that matter) that I buy. The $300 orders from Rollie and Helens have been few and far between for me lately, so I need to make the most of those investments. I bought a dawg a few weeks ago, hung it in my Lakewood and when I went to pull it out the other day the tail snagged on a hook from another lure and ripped off with little pressure, I didn't even feel the weight of the other lure when it came off. Ok...shame on me for not being more careful, but that's $20 on a lure that I never even got wet. If the new dawgs are that much better, then great I will probably buy some, but my budget does not allow me to be a guinea pig right now, so it has to be proven to me over a little time before I make that investment again. |
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| jeff p, get yourself a cheap soldering iron at the hardware store and you can melt that tail back on. good as new.
I hope the new dawgs are built better. I agree with others, for years they put cheap split rings and hooks on them. This wasn't anything they didn't know about, but it took years, not weeks or months to change, years. Pounders would fall apart after 3 hours of use without ever getting hit by a fish. do their baits work? of course, love them, when they don't fall apart, and hate them when they do.
Competition finally forced their hand, not the consumers who had to change out hooks and split rings on 15-30 dollar baits.
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Location: Hopefully on the water | If you don't like them then don't use them, it is your choice. The way I look at it is that I have Litterally waste more money on baits that I thought would be great to only use very little or not even at all. If you fish with Bulldawgs, Super D'd, Shack Attack or who evers. Use the ones YOU have luck with and feel comfortable using. I have used all 3 of the above and there are things that I do and don't like about all of them. I personally love to see a bait shreaded from a fish. Baits coming apart always stinks but it also hurts when you get a backlash or bad knot and loose the bait. Them breaking in this instance isn't entirly the baits or Manufacturer's issue. It is our own by not casting properly or tying a better knot. Most muskie fisherman are impulse buyers or look for the NEW and IMPROVED. Buy what you want to use. It is going to be a long winter to think about which ones you want or will buy. |
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| I look at it as being pretty simple. I will buy the most durable rubber dawg (or dawg nockoff). |
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| Bulldawgs have been around since 1992 I believe. Top H20, what happened was the bulldawgs use to be of great quality except for the occasion 7 strand breakage but still a quality plastic that held up. Then they shipped the marketing overseas and went to a much softer rubber and the quality went right down the toilet. Now they are realizing they better get the quality back where it should/used to be. So it wasnt a matter of starting out poorly and then finally getting better.
Cant wait to see the line up. I wonder if prices will come down on the pounders. It would be cool if they could keep them around $20 instead of $30. Doubt it though.
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Location: Kronenwetter, WI | I recall reading someplace that the new MI products would be available at retailers when the 'old' inventory has all been sold. Will the 'old' stock be reduced in price, removed from the shelves, or will the new MI products be priced higher? Will there be a way to tell the difference between the new and old products by looking at the packaging?
---I should add that I am happy to see the redesign as like others I have struggled trying to figure out how to put the rear harness hook holder back into the bait...zip ties seemed to work okay---
Edited by Cowboyhannah 11/18/2008 9:56 PM
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | 'These are simply the best baits they have EVER made, I still have some of the first made back in th 90's and these are much stronger and durable. Some of the colors of dawgs are hitting the market now with all these changes they should have 100% coverage no later than late spring according to Brad. I also understand their will be a whole color line, keeping the best colors and get rid of the bad sellers and add some new fresh awesome colors. ' |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | I will buy the NEW MEDUSSA, SUPER D DAWGS, SHACK ATTACK DAWGS. Then and only then will I look at M/I DAWGS, AND WAIT TO HERE REPORTS OF HOW GOOD OR BAD THEY ARE BEFORE I BUY ANY M/I DAWGS !!!!!!!!!!!!! I FEEL SORRY FOR ALL THE PEOPLE THAT BUY ALL THE OLD STOCK THAT IS LEFT OUT THERE. I feel just like esoxaddict on this one. |
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| If anyone has pictures of these new "PRO dawgs" with the painted design please post. I would love to see what they look like. Pikemaster - that new Medusa does look pretty #*^@ cool. I'll definitely have to get one of those to see what action is like.
**My next probably bad idea is, why can't they make a hard plastic body that will last forever, then somewhere in the area of the rear hook, would begin the soft plastic tail section which of course would be replaceable. What do you think? |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | I have a couple SWAMP DONKEE'S with replaceable tails but the bait does not have the action like a SUPER D DAWG.
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Location: Appleton | Musky Madman - 11/19/2008 6:56 AM
If anyone has pictures of these new "PRO dawgs" with the painted design please post. I would love to see what they look like. Pikemaster - that new Medusa does look pretty #*^@ cool. I'll definitely have to get one of those to see what action is like.
**My next probably bad idea is, why can't they make a hard plastic body that will last forever, then somewhere in the area of the rear hook, would begin the soft plastic tail section which of course would be replaceable. What do you think?
H20 Tackle makes a bait with a hard head and soft body. He calls it the hard head. Nice bait. Great Action.
http://www.h2otackle.com/hardhead.shtml |
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Location: Twin Cities | PIKEMASTER - 11/18/2008 9:10 PM
SUPER D DAWG.
What is a SUPER D DAWG and who makes it? :-P |
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Location: Land of the Musky | SuperD company name is Tackle Industries.
Website:
http://www.gruntmuskielures.com
PS-PIKEMASTER, While I only have one of those Swamp Donkeys, those things are TANKS! Need to take one with me to Canada to see how many hammer handle pike can hit it before it falls a part. I can imagine it woudl be all day I like the hard body but they do need to soften the tail up slightly to get a little more movement out of it. Love that replacement tail design!
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Location: Twin Cities |
My comment was VERY tongue in cheek....<rolls eyes> |
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| Capitalism at its finest for sure.
Sounds like the new, improved BullDawg is a whole lot like the Super D! And what are the prices again?
Also, has anyone seen the new curly tail soft plastic from Dunwright Tackle? Holy moly, now there's a bait worth paying $25 for. |
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| And what/where is a Medusa? Pictures? |
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| I have had good luck on MI pounders. Maybe I got lucky and bought the ones with the better plastic. I love my Super Ds though because they just flat out work. MI makes a good bulldawg rod, you can't take that away from them. |
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| MI has great customer service, I emailed MI one day, replied back the next day and fixed the issue no questions asked, very impressed!!!!!!! |
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Location: Wausau | I second the Hard Head - Rodger is a great guy to work with and the lures catch fish. I like you can weight them differently or turn the tail for different action or change the color of tail all together. Sweet glide with a wobble on the fall or a fast head first decent or head raise depending on the weighting. |
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| I'am done with Dawg's. The reason is not because I'm afraid to buy a better mousetrap if they made one, it's because of the way I was treated as a customer. I had two dawgs that the weight pulled out and rear wire appeared to be coming out the side. I used super glue, a soldering gun and all the other ways of repairing and got fed up. I e-mailed the co. and they said we will replace. Got an e-mail back saying there were teeth marks in them and muskies caused the problem. I have been muskie fishing too long to know when fish causes cuts rather than my sharp hooks. Both baits were used two days. When a representative says he is going to do something and they don't, I move on to the competition. No different then a politition saying one thing and doing another. They lose my vote of confidence. Enough said! |
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| Thanks Steve, I like you too.
Free enterprize at work.
I won't ever say never, but I will look forward to the chance to look them over and then compare the present product with the past. I think passing up a chance to even look at them is quite trifle. They obviously knew that they had problems, and now they are stepping out with a new product saying,"Look, we fixed what was wrong. Here it is, check it out." Why thanks, let me take a peek. Can I bring a torch? Beav |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | The new MI products will be on the market soon, at which time we can discuss how they look talk about the improvements. |
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