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Location: North Canton, Ohio 44720 | Hello,
I use createx airbrush paint to paint my lures. I was wondering if anybody else that uses this kind of paint experiences it being tacky even after a week of sitting. I use a hair blower to heat set it but find that it stays tacky no matter how long I let it sit. I have even baked it in the oven on warm for a couple of hours and it still remains tacky to the touch. Is it okay to put topcoat over it while it is still tacky or does anyone know of a way to completely dry it. Any information is appreciated.
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| Mike,
In my findings only a few colors stay tacky, like there yellow. I have been using Createx for 6 to 7 years now and havnt hade a problem painting over the tacky colors.
Tony |
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Location: holland | i use createx olso for three years,and some colors are indeed tacky,bud for the topcoat is this not a problem.
Edited by snoekfisker 9/20/2008 2:28 AM
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Location: Hastings, mn, 55033 | Mike,
Same as what they have said. I notice some colors stay tacky no matter how long they have sat. Seems especially noticeable with transparent colors like orange & purple. Personally I think it may be a combination of the pigments used for those colors as well as the fact I tend to spary those colors a bit heavier because they dont cover as well and I get impatient. I'm guessing if I'd lay many more LIGHT coats it would reduce the tackiness somewhat, but I think you'll still find some colors stay tacky no matter what.
I have never had a problem clear coating over them.
One thing I've been doing is switching to mostly Auto Air colors as they seem to flow and dry better for me. Plus they have a bit better color selection. Still water based and made by Createx. |
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Location: North Canton, Ohio 44720 | Thanks for the information. Has anyone ever experienced the paint actually bubbling up when you heat set it? Sometimes it appears as though the paint lifts off of the primer. I have used all kinds of primer (kilz, binz, vinyl jig paint, you name it) and it still sometimes wants to bubble up.
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| mikeallan257 - 9/20/2008 11:23 AM
Thanks for the information. Has anyone ever experienced the paint actually bubbling up when you heat set it? Sometimes it appears as though the paint lifts off of the primer. I have used all kinds of primer (kilz, binz, vinyl jig paint, you name it) and it still sometimes wants to bubble up.
Thanks, Mike
Your putting to much heat, you'll have better looking bait letting it dry on its own, just use a water based primer, and let it dry a few days before you epoxy. |
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Location: Hugo, MN | When it bubbles, that's air expanding inside the bait and trying to escape. When heated the air expands and has to go somewhere. This is why you need to seal the bait well before painting. It can also happen when your baits are sitting in the sun, and depending on the topcoat, can cause cracking and splitting. A lot depends on the wood you're using, and how dense it is. |
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Location: Muskegon Michigan | Yes Yes, Brown and transparent colors like yellow and Phalo green. You can use a hairdryer but dont let it set on the area for too long. Pass it back and forth and move from bait to bait. This helps to keep the wood from giving off gasses and causing bubbles to form. You can bake it hot over metal but it still is just an acrylic sheet of plastic when its dry. I use envirotec over the top of tacky browns all the time. I have to handle some of the baits with latex gloves so as to not leave fingerprints while assembling them. Soft flexible paint is great for wood as it doesnt crack like automotive based paints do. I have used both and have been using Createx for 12 years now. Kingfisher |
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Location: North Canton, Ohio 44720 | Thanks for all the great information everyone. I do like createx but I didn't know if the bubbling would cause the paint and topcoat to peel off easier.
Will sealing the wood prevent the gassing and bubbling? I have used epoxy to seal the wood before but I didn't know if a wood sealer would be better. I think that the expanding and contracting of the wood when it gets water in it causes the topcoat to peel easier. Will wood sealer delay wood expansion? I just had a problem with some lures and the Devcon epoxy split and peeled off. These lures were not thrown very much. Not much fun to put alot of time into some lures and then have the paint job and topcoat fall off. Thanks for everyones time and answers,
Mike. |
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Location: Muskegon Michigan | I use Zars Sanding sealer on Oak, Cherry and Cedar. I do not use any other type of wood. Terrible problems with Maple(splitting and cracking) Poplar ,paint falls off ,pine sucks, etc. Some good woods are Bass wood, cedar, Mahagony, Oak, Cherry and Balsa. I never have issues with cracking or peeling paints because I use good wood and seal it with Zars. Kingfisher |
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Location: Hugo, MN | Like Kingfisher says, use a sanding sealer like Zars or what I use is Deft Sanding Sealer. I dip the bait in the can and let the air bubbles escape as the stuff soaks in. Leave it submerged for a few minutes and pull it out and let it hang dry. Maybe another dip and you should be ready to paint. Really makes a difference when the clearcoat evetually wears thru or hopefully gets chewed thru. No more big flakes of paint and clearcoat peeling off each cast. |
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