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| I have recently added some glide baits to my arsenal but have been frustrated fishing them. I'm not sure I'm getting the right action out of them. I have mostly been throwing Bagley B-flats and a Deviator from savage. Rather than gliding sided to side they just sort of roll over and come back straight.
How do guys out there like to fish their glide baits ?
Are these baits that should have a long pause between twitches ?
My other dilema is that the leader seems to tangle a lot more in the hooks than other baits I use.
I found some useful info in the archives but am looking for more on retreive styles.
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Location: deep in the slop | the first jerkbait that actually worked for me was a manta. if i were to pick a couple to start, these would be it.
Manta
amma bamma
termoilX
hellhound
there are tons out there but i know from personal experience that these are good choices when you are trying to just get results from your jerk bait technique.
as far as technique is concerned, my rod tip is generally pointed somewhat downward towards the water, and the reeling never stops, its just slow, with repetitive rod taps downward.
furthermore, go get yourself a one wire leader. you will hear a lot of arqueing, floro vs. single wire, but i prefer the wire.
Edited by HappyMusky 7/8/2008 3:43 PM
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Location: Ogden, Ut | esoxaddict - 7/8/2008 2:54 PM
Ask Nelson ;)
The key for sure is the 'Chicken Dance' right Jeff?
Get yourself a Perka or a Wabull and tap, tap, tap it; they're pretty fool proof and both catch fish. Once you get the cadence down, you can start throwing some extra taps and pauses into the retrieve. Play with them, they're fun.
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Location: Oregon | Here is pool demo of one of my baits that might help you out...........there are lots of ideas on how to fish glide baits, fast slow, etc., so keep that in mind when watching the video clip. Click on "BeerBelly" when you get to the page. And use a wire leader.
http://bikinibaitcompany.com/poolsidedemos.htm
jed v.
bikinibaitcompany
Edited by RiverMan 7/8/2008 5:04 PM
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| I used to work them in the way described above, short reel turns with downward snaps, like you would work a jackpot. However, I've had alot more success with them by getting very erratic, and ripping the lure like you would a bulldawg. Some amazing dive/rise action, and you still get a side pull every few rips. Fish seem to like that also on the waters I fish.
Good luck!
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Location: NYC (and many weeks in MN during summer) | I had trouble fishing jerkbaits/glide baits with a floro leader too. As already mentioned, a wire leader solved that problem immediately. No more fouled casts. It also gives my lures better action.
I struggled too using the longer rods. I own 5 Muskie rods ranging from 7'4" to 8'6". For some reason I could never fish these lures properly with these lenghts, although I know most guys can. I have been using a friends 6'2" rod with great success, but finally broke down and ordered a custom 6'2" diamondback from lonnie at thorne brothers yesterday. The best thing about it is that so few guys order these dedicated rods, that he still had an original diamondback blank to build for me.
Randy
Edited by NYmuskyhunter 7/8/2008 7:08 PM
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| I'm not a fan of a B-Flat as a glider to begin with. It is more of a hard snap lure that has some flash and little glide. I think most people that are unhappy with gliders overwork them. Gliders work best when you are relaxed when you are using them. If you jerk like you're trying to work a Suick or Bobbie Bait, you will be disappointed and tired.
My pointers for good glide baits are...keep your rod tip low, never above parallel with the water surface. When I work a glider, my rod tip is usually slapping the water's surface as I snap the slack out of the line. Also, after you practice with it and get it to glide when you are standing on the dock, make sure that you mix up the retrieve cadence and MAKE SURE THAT YOU PAUSE SEVERAL TIMES DURING THE RETRIEVE AND LET THE LURE FLUTTER DOWN. That is when I get the majority of my strikes. The flash and glide gets their attention, the falling flutter pulls the trigger. I'd ditch the B-Flat, and get something that is easier to work.
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| I pull my glide baits ( Amma's and HR Shakers) as opposed to jerking them. I use a 6'9'' rod and pull side to side. Pull hard enough until you feel the first pump on the rod, pause, repeat again in the other direction. This as worked well for me in all weather conditions, extremely deadly for cold fronts.
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Location: Waukesha & Land O Lakes, WI | Two easy ones two work....Wood On the Water Power Probe, just turn the handle and she walks herself. Two, Shawn Kellet's Muskie Treat....small easy taps and it's swaying like an old couple at a wedding after too many Manhattans. |
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| Theres a lot of good ones I throw but I'd recommend getting yourself a couple good hellhounds, very easy to find, they are relatively cheep for a musky bait, very durable plastic construction... and they catch fish.
I use single strand on most gliders but flouro has worked good with hellhounds also, plus you won't have any trouble at all getting them to glide.
Never used the deviator but I tryed a B-flat once and wasn't impessed. |
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| I think people get to caught up in the proper text book way to work gliders or other baits. The idea is to put some life into a piece of wood or plastic.
Think about the number of stories you've heard or may have witnessed about some guy catching a good fish on fish trip out. Some times, I think doing these different then others may be the ticket.
If you really think about it, there are several different glider actions out there. If you are throwing a Bikini Bait, and for some reason it is working more like a Phantom, is that bad? Look at how many people swear by Phantoms. |
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| OK NY, here is the real scoop. Ditch all the gliders, and certainly ditch the B Flats(they never worked very good to start with on their first issue, and still don't). I have thrown a lot of baits over the years and I got into the glider frenzy for a short while, but found that I was getting too many follows and not enough strikes. Gliders just don't do it to the fish like other baits you can use. I would go twitch bait (reef hawgs and several others that twitch) before gliders. In fact I would go almost anything before gliders. I have sold every glider I own except a blitzin shad and a 10" custom Hughey owned by the late great Sponge Bob. The one I probably shouldn't have sold but did anyway was a deadhead, on which I saw many fish, many fish that did not bite, but enjoyed the bait, could take a slow day and make interesting though still a skunk.
For the many that are going to jump my case for this opinion, I truly want you guys to keep throwing the true gliders. More bites for me in the long run, but before you critique my opinions, you might just check into the long list of quality fishermen(much better than I, even though it may be hard to believe)that have picked up and discarded totally the Manta, one of the truest gliders out there. Find out why people bought and sold or bought and stored their mantas in such a short time. It wasn't because they were catching a lot of fish on them.
Wanna throw some stuff that goes side to side? Reef hawgs, tuned suicks, burts, undertakers(I'm off of them but you can get a hit on them), 9" grandmas, triple D's. Half your time with these with say little bobbie baits, big bobbies and suicks and that will be good. Intersperse your bucktail topwater attack with these and be satisfied you are covering the water with a decent bait that fish will bite.
Pure gliders, just taking up fishing time till you get to the good baits. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Or, you can work the 'true gliders' like I do. I can't describe exactly what I do to make them do what I want other than to call it...'dance'. I can walk a Perka across the top effortlessly, let it shimmy into a pocket in the cover, and dance it nose-up/down back to the rig, tap her down, and watch the Muskie following eat the thing. The Wabull is superb for this sort of technique, as is the Jerko and Undertaker. A good Reef Hawg does this even if you don't want it to.
I will agree with FSF on one lure, I can't make the Manta do anything but swing side to side, hypnotically...
I'll be shooting a new segment this month on 'How to work a Glider, styles 1, 2, and 3' using clips from several different anglers as part of the new informational video series we started this Spring. |
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| FSF, as someone who has had a ton of follows but never gotten a fish to actually eat a glider, I would agree. BUT...
There have been days when there was absolutely nothing I could do to get a fish to show itself but throw a glider. The mistake I made with them was throwing them religiously because they were "good lures" without any insight into when, where, or WHY one would choose a glider. Lures are tools. JUST tools.
To me a glider is a "limited application" lure, like a steering wheel puller is to the automotive tool world. 98% of the time there's no need for it. But when that 2% of the time happens, you had better have one.
Which one largely depends on your style of fishing. And that's where gliders fail a lot of people. Some people have a knack for making them look like food, and others don't. I will tell you this: If I could pick just one glider? It would be the WA Wabull. Maybe not what you would consider a "true" glider because its round bodied, but I have confidence in the ability of that lure to trigger fish. The side to side types? Well, not so much. A lot of guys swear by phantoms, a LOT. Must be something to that...
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Location: Twin Cities | Man, I really like my manta's and certainly have not had the experience of fish only following them. When I was in KY this spring, that's all I got fish on. I out fished my partner who was throwing rattle baits, "the only thing they'll eat in the spring".
IDK, but I do like true gliders and they certainly have their time and place. I don't fish them everyday but when they're on, nothing else seems to move fish. |
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Location: New Brighton, MN | NY Muskie,
I had similar frustrations with gliders. make sure you have a shorter, stiffer rod, a wire leader is a MUST (this made all the difference for me). I have found that hellhounds are the easiest gliders by FAR. again, -wire leader- |
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| I think people that don't fish gliders at all are nuts...the last two fish I caught last year and the first four this year were on the big Dunwright Dancer worked like a walk-the-dog topwater, slow and wide. Don't get bit? I couldn't get bit on anything else earlier this year and late last fall. The worst thing about gliders, though, is that fish seem to have a hard time actually eating them sometimes. Make sure your hooks are razor sharp. As far as a shorter, stiffer rod, not sure about that either. I work the Dancer with an 8' HF Compre and a 24" Terminator titanium leader...I think it's all about how each person works it. |
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| I just started using glide baits this year and put a small tiger in the boat and a 20lb northern. |
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| Hey New York< you got a pm! |
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Location: MI | just the info i was looking for.as i just recently started using glide baits.
i picked up a wabull about a month ago. and recently a hellhound. |
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