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Location: Burton, Ohio | Hey everyone, I have a question. Is there any advantage to cedar over redwood? I know cedar may have more natural oil in it.
I got some redwood and I really like working with it.
Is it a bottom line thing that redwood is more money than cedar?
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| Hi John, super cool baits and patterns. All wood dust is nasty but redwood wood dust is harmful to breathe. Be careful, it goes everywhere. I've been using red alder for a lot of reasons; cost, machineability, closed grain, durability and it's plentiful here in metro MN. I've noticed properly air dried wood vs. kiln dried wood has a little more "magic" in it. When you find some stash it away for special blank.
John, any tribe home games in Milwaukee this year? Duff |
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Location: Burton, Ohio | Hey Duff! Interesting about the redwood. I did the final hand sanding on some baits a little bit ago. I do notice my sinus's hurt a bit. The dust if very fine indeed. I will have to watch that. I do like the sweet smell it has.
Alder is a nice wood. I did a cabinet job a while back and used some beech. I really like the tight grain and its heavier density. Similiar to alder I think. Alot like mahogany in wood grain.
I here you on some blanks have that mystical quality and actions to the lures. You can tell as you cut the blanks how the wood will work and act.
Cleveland Indians.......... They are having a good spring training. It is snowing hard here right now. There may be some home games up there! LOL
Folks you should see Duffs furniture. Very special stuff. Fine Woodworking quality all the way!!!!!!!!!!! He has been in that magazine! Incredible.
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Location: Oregon | They are both good woods and both are quite soft particularly if you are talking about western cedar. Wear a dust mask, have fun!
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| both redwood and cedar need a dust system. redwood in my area is cost nasty compared to red cedar.. a very good quality lumber is honduras mahogany, but at 8 bucks a board foot it to costly for production runs |
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Location: Burton, Ohio | I did some aromatic cedar chests a couple of years back. I turn the corners on the lathe and spit them for a neat effect for the corners. I kept the cut offs from the ends. I may try to use them for a lure or two. They are too small for anything else. They sure smell good while cutting them. No moths will attack the lures! LOL
Yes my nose is plugged up a bit today. That fine dust did it for sure
Mahogany is a really sweet wood. I think the tuff shads are made of that. It is expensive! |
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| i did some custom painting on 100 tuff shads. they looked sweet. they were mahogany. the cedar ones are definately more corky action. we prefer the livelier action on our woodies here on st clair.. whatever wood one chooses its paramount to seal first.. many guys were using honduras and as cost rose went to the jeulatong mahogany. its not near as dense and good in quality. |
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Location: Freedom, WI | The oil in the cedar dust is whats toxic, hard on the lungs. Not sure if it's oak or walnut
but one of them is very toxic to animals to the point that you can not use it for bedding. I think it is walnut, will have to check. |
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Location: Burton, Ohio | Roger it is Walnut. We have people pick up our saw dust at times for their horses. They always ask if there is any walnut in it. |
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Location: Oregon | One thing I recall about redwood that I didn't like is that the wood didn't seem to heal well. You know how some woods you can put a screw into it, pull it out, put it back, etc., and the wood remains strong? The redwood I had seemed to very quckly lose its strength. The other thing I noticed about redwood is that it wasn't real uniform in hardness. Cedar on the other hand seems to heal better and is incredibly uniform. Both woods will work but if I were given a choice I would select cedar.
Jed
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| h2os2t - 3/23/2008 10:37 AM
The oil in the cedar dust is whats toxic, hard on the lungs. Not sure if it's oak or walnut
but one of them is very toxic to animals to the point that you can not use it for bedding. I think it is walnut, will have to check.
Walnut, (Juglans) and any of the species resultant of the Juglans. It contains Juggalone, a sort of natural herbicide pesticide. Usually, when dealing toxicity in woods you are dealing with the silica content in the wood, as opposed to the actual dust. When you are allergic to a wood, it is usually an oil Like h20 said. When you are dealing with almost any exotic species, particularly redwoods, you are dealing with high dissolved silica content, and an oil content that is incredibly high.
Taking all things into account, and you use the correct gear, and take the correct precautions, you won't run into any issues. Generally, the species that gets a bad rap stateside, is American Sycamore, because it contains the spore b.Anthracis, yeah, that one. The thing is, is that you would have to ingest a tremendous amount of it, as well, you would have to be exposed to extremely high quantities, before an infection would occur.
Anyhow, precautions, equipment and the knowledge of what to do with it is essential when working with ANY wood. |
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Location: Muskegon Michigan | I work with a lot of Cedar. I wear a respirator when ever I am sanding. The reason cedar is bad is because it does not break down in your lungs. You cant pass it. Once it is in there it stays in there . It is this quality that makes it one of the best woods out there for building lures. Its oils and its ability to resist rotting when wet. I have tested Mahgany versus Cedar. Cedar wins outright every time. I have worked with Cherry,oak, Red wood and several other exotics and I just keep coming back to Cedar. I have no problems with paint or sealing Cedar. It is the best wood for Crankbaits next to Balsa because of its bouyancy. Hard woods are better for Jerkbaits and gliders because they are heavy and dense making them push through the water easier . Weight overcomes resistance. Bouyant woods try to regain the surface causing them to roll and zig zag wander and do tricks just by moving them forward.
I will never change woods because Cedar is the best and most abundent wood i can get for making Crankbaits. Cherry and Oak work great for my twitchers but for the Cranks its Cedar all the way. Kingfisher |
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| Ya'll are forgetin' about "SOUTHERN YELLOW POPLAR", hard woods work just fine for cranks, unless ya'll don't work for your fish, and ya'll know if you don't work for fish you DON'T GET EM!!! |
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