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Message Subject: split rings and a lil on topwaters
jerkmybait
Posted 1/9/2008 1:00 AM (#292930)
Subject: split rings and a lil on topwaters





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Location: saint paul, mn
I have two questions about split rings:

1. If a bait doesn't come with split rings on them originally, do you then cut the hooks and add split rings, or just leave it as is.

2. On baits that only come with double spit rings, do you then replace all thosee with tripple rings?

Also if anyone has any information or advice on upsizing the hooks that come standard on the baits. Haven't really done it and don't know where to get started.

Now, to top water question. What colors do people find produce the best? I sure have heard alot about back being best, but does that mean that I should only buy black topwaters? I feel like there has to be other coors that work well too.
ron f
Posted 1/9/2008 3:52 AM (#292932 - in reply to #292930)
Subject: Re: split rings and a lil on topwaters


1.no,eye screw are most safe than any split rings you can find
2.no,the majority of serious builders put some good quality double and they are enough strong for big fish
3.black is the best under a lot of condition

Edited by ron f 1/9/2008 3:56 AM
curleytail
Posted 1/9/2008 8:54 AM (#292971 - in reply to #292930)
Subject: RE: split rings and a lil on topwaters




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Location: Hayward, WI
I have not cut any hooks off to add split rings. Maybe I should, but I haven't. I guess most of the baits I have caught fish on already have split rings, so I don't have a lot of experience with lures that aren't ringed.

I don't replace split rings unless they seem pretty weak. I don't mind the triple split rings, but they might not be my first choice either. I don't know if it's because the extra width holds more water or what, but the rings most of my baits that have the triple rings rust a lot quicker than any other ones. I use a Lakewood, and open the top up whenever I'm not fishing to let baits dry. None of the regular split rings get rust on them, but a lot of the triple ringed ones do. Have never had a split ring related issue yet with any ring I have been using.

Black is a good color for topwater. I think it contrasts well with most any background (sky condition). I have used orange, or at least baits with an orange belly and done well with them. If you have a choice, black baits in cloudy conditions and lighter/brighter colors when it's bright out. Late this summer and into fall, I KNEW a black Weagle was getting eaten if it was cloudy/rainy out. Lots of guys probably use mostly black because it almost always works.

curleytail
happy hooker
Posted 1/9/2008 9:06 AM (#292974 - in reply to #292971)
Subject: RE: split rings and a lil on topwaters




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DONT,,repete DONT,,upsize hooks on topwaters just because you think its alway the best thing to do.
some topwaters are balanced just right with the hooks they use upsizing sometimes ruins the action or may even sink it.
always try a lure first before you upsize the hooks
muskie! nut
Posted 1/9/2008 9:14 AM (#292977 - in reply to #292930)
Subject: Re: split rings and a lil on topwaters





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Location: Yahara River Chain
1) Normally don't till I have to cut the hook out of the fish. Very few baits are like this these days
2) I think double split rings (split ring inside a split ring) are stronger than the triple rings. It depends, but if a bait only comes with 1 split ring, (depending if I think its a quality one) I will change out that ring and use a triple ring if room allows. On some eyes, there isn't enough room for this bigger triple split ring.
3) Color is way over rated in topwaters. I use white a lot and do very well with it. You must have either good action on the bait or it properly tuned to get bit. Color alone will not make that happen, but if you have it tuned you will get bit regardless of color.
esox69
Posted 1/9/2008 10:11 PM (#293160 - in reply to #292930)
Subject: RE: split rings and a lil on topwaters


just found out that the guys at wolverine tackle now have a #4 triple split ring, made just for the smaller eyescrews and wire loops. they're available in standard finish and stainless steel...
steve
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