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Location: Rhinelander | Can someone help resolve a dispute.
Would it be legal to obtain small tags similar to what the DNR may use on a research project and attach it to a fish's dorsal fin before release.
If it is legal, do some states allow it and others that don't?
Thanks,
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | MN doesn't allow it. |
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Location: Ogden, Ut | Utah doesn't allow it for the general citizenry.
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| Some states do others do not. Call your DNR (probably a better source of info than an internet site). Illinois allows it.
Will the data used benefit the greater scheme of things? Do you plan to share the data with the DNR? Just some things to think about.
Edited by esox50 12/17/2007 10:05 PM
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Location: Rhinelander, WI | Bart the following is from page 18 of the 2007-08 Wisconsin Fishing Regs.
"Tagged Fish and Tagging Fish
DNR fisheries biologists attach tags to fi sh for research purposes. If you catch a tagged fish, please notify the nearest DNR office with the tag number, when and where the fish was caught, its length, and its weight. If you keep the fish, send in the tag; if you release it, leave the tag on the fish but be sure to record the tag number. IT IS ILLEGAL FOR AN ANGLER TO CATCH, TAG, AND RELEASE A FISH WITHOUT FIRST OBTAINING A SCIENTIFIC COLLECTOR'S PERMIT.
Nail A Pig
Mike
Edited by MRoberts 12/18/2007 7:49 AM
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| Bass Pro Shops used to sell tagging kits and I was going to buy one in 1992 to tag Bass on a pay-to-fish lake in MN. After checking into it, I found out that was not allowed. I actually don't recall seeing those kits for sale anymore, but maybe they still are. |
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| good point. on the other side. would one not have to be trainedto do tagging properly? |
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| WI does not allow this practice anymore (or is not supposed to) per Mike Roberts response.
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| Tagging fish to document your catches makes about as much sense as using a snowmobile to run down a runaway emu, tackling it, and laying on it until the owner shows up. Actually, the emu part makes more sense.
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Location: Rhinelander, WI | Parker, I have actually heard that exact story regarding an emu, though it was a 4 wheeler and it was the owner doing the tackling, and apparently he had a blaze orange jump suit on at the time. He was a small guy and the emu took him for a ride before it finally dropped. One of the funniest stories I have ever heard.
As far as tagging fish, in some cases I could see the point. If you fish a small lake regularly it could be used to track the growth of fish and release success. I believe that the DNR and Muskies Inc. did a study similar to this in the Hayward area a number of years ago.
Nail A Pig!
Mike
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Location: north central wisconsin | I'm with Parker. If the DNR wants to mark fish in a system(via PIT tags, dye etc), great. Not/never have been a fan of the dorsal fin tags, even on the fish in Green Bay. Granted, I know they serve a purpose and are needed to study population dynamics, but I have pulled a number of these tags out of fish over there over the years that were causing such huge open sores, that the fish appeared to be suffering from such device. To assist in a study that the DNR begins or sees fit is one thing. To dorsal tag fish for ones own use/pleasure, is ridiculous and a form of mutilation in my opinion.
Edited by Reef Hawg 12/18/2007 2:48 PM
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| Good point, Jason. Unless you have used floy/T/spaghetti tags before and know how to properly place them on a fish you will run a high risk of harming them. An open wound on a fish, especially from improper tag placement/injection, can become infected QUICKLY.
Might I also add, and this is just my opinion, that by tagging a fish with your name and contact information (NOT the DNR's) is like writing your name on a fish as if claiming it. I KNOW that's certainly not the intention (let me reiterate that I know that's not your intention), but to some the implication is certainly there and I can see how some would take offense to it. IMO, leave it to the professionals unless it's a private body of water then you can do whatever you like. The only instance I would endorse private citizens partaking non-DNR affiliated tagging in public waters is if the general public eventually sees the data collected AND that the information goes to something meaningful (i.e. mark/recapture or tracking study).
For what it's worth...
Edited by esox50 12/18/2007 12:29 PM
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| For my purposes, I was going to tag a few fish in an effort to find out how many times I caught the same Bass in a year. Since the lake was so small, I thought we had to be catching many of the same fish multiple times over the course of the season. Maybe not though. I was simply curious. |
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Location: Nowheresville, MN | Derrys - 12/18/2007 6:36 PM
For my purposes, I was going to tag a few fish in an effort to find out how many times I caught the same Bass in a year. Since the lake was so small, I thought we had to be catching many of the same fish multiple times over the course of the season. Maybe not though. I was simply curious.
A study in Nebraska found, on average, bass were caught 7 times a year. |
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| Derrys - 12/18/2007 5:36 PM
For my purposes, I was going to tag a few fish in an effort to find out how many times I caught the same Bass in a year. Since the lake was so small, I thought we had to be catching many of the same fish multiple times over the course of the season. Maybe not though. I was simply curious.
Brad,
Sorry if my post seemed directed at you, it wasn't intended to be; not intended to be directed at anyone, just wanted my opinion "on record" I suppose. I actually wanted to do some tagging in a local lake many years ago with bass. Super small lake, maybe three acres MAX and as you said in your case, we caught so many fish that I'm sure we were catching some of the same ones. I emailed folks at the IL DNR and they said it was OK to do both on private and public waters, but however not encouraged on public waters. In any case, it sure is cool to see fish you tag caught again elsewhere on a lake. We do some mark-recapture studies in Ontario with largemouth and its fun to tag one, catch it again, and compare the two locations. Some hardly move, others are on completely opposite ends of the lake. Fortunately with muskies, they seem to have such unique markings that sometimes the average fishermen doesn't even need to have one tagged to know they've caught it before.
Anyways, happy holidays everyone! |
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| Sean, I took no offense in your post, I was just stating what my own personal reasons were for looking into the tagging concept in the first place. Incidently, I had a strange experience on the lake I refer to in my earlier post. I caught a Rock Bass with a huge growth over one eye. It was so gross looking that I hardly wanted to touch it. I took it off the hook and threw it back. I caught that same Rock Bass 4 times in the next 20 minutes. I also was fishing with my brother on that lake and caught a 5lb. 6oz. Largemouth Bass. I let it go then caught it again 2 hours later.
One of my favorite memories was fishing with my brother two years ago when he caught the same Muskie twice in two hours. It was blatantly obvious that is was the same fish, due to the hook marks left behind. I thought that was pretty cool. Happy Holidays Sean, to you and your family. |
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Location: oswego, il | I am not big on the non-dnr tags, we pull them when we see them and toss them. On a private lake, I suppose it is ok, but experimentation on public waters by unqualified individuals is not. |
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Location: On the Niagara River in Buffalo, NY | We have a Tagging Program with the NY DEC aproval here on the Niagara River/Lake Erie,it has been on going for some years to collect,movement and growth data. The problem is that the tags get grown over on fish that had tags on them for a few short years and a large number of fish were getting sores where the tag was incerted to close to main fish body at the base of the dorsel fin.The data returned from a large number of tagged fish only showed around 10% recatch and they were most recaught somewhere in the same area they were first caught and tagged. Because of the sores caused by the tagging process I decided not to participate in the Tagging Program anymore. Best to leave the tagging to the local DNR that will be most likely be equipped with a revival tank on there boat to help reduce the extra stress caused by keeping the musky out of the water the extra time needed to properly place the Tag! |
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Location: Rhinelander | Parker, thats funny |
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| Hodag,
Sent you an email with some information I have on this.
Parker |
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