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| You don't know how much better the fishing would be on those lakes if trolling were not allowed. Nobody knows at this point because the only way to find out is to open up lakes to trolling that haven;t been, and close lakes to trolling that have been open to it and do a long term analysis of the quality of the fishery.
there are many many small lakes in other states that are open to trolling. just take a look at some of the lakes very close to WI across the border in the U.P.
some pretty dern good fishing in those lakes for many species, too.
it just doesn't seem very sportsman like to me.
so don't do it. but don't tell me whether or not it's "sportsmanlike" for me to do.
And let's really look at that -- 4 rods, two lines out on boards, and you say that that doesn't affect the experience of guys wanting to cast that lake? Suppose you wanted to get off the weedlines and cast off both sides of the boat, East to West down the center of the lake. If one or two people were trolling out there, that would be the end of your day unless you changed lakes.
i said it hasn't effected MY experience casting the lake.
and i HAVE in fact casted down the center of the lake when other were trolling. guess what? they drove around me with a friendly wave and a "how's it going?" that really ruined my day...
I am not the "barbarian horde that's taking over" because I am not out to change it, disrupt it, bastardise it, or turn it into minocqua. My intention is to enjoy it as it is, for what it is, and how it is, and not interfere with the peace and quiet that drew me there in the first place.
the simple fact that you (and other more people) are there inevitably changes a place from what it was into what it is.
enjoy it for what it is, but don't try to pretend that you leave no trace. we all do.
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | And it just doesn't seem very sportsman like to me. And let's really look at that -- 4 rods, two lines out on boards, and you say that that doesn't affect the experience of guys wanting to cast that lake?
*you didnt seem to have an issue with doing it on Webster a couple months ago....I think it's pretty evident that you're not opposed to trolling as a whole, just to trolling on YOUR newly adopted get away locale. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | 'My' was meant to be a collective term.
Sorry, outlawing a fishing technique because it 'works' is plain silly. Casting 'works'. Sucker fishing 'works'. If I elect to troll and CPR a fish, who's to say I would not have CPR'd a fish using other techniques?
Why would a regulation have to result in IMPROVING the fishing? That sort of thing has been very hard to get by the CC of late.
I don't know about whether the fishing would be better or worse in trolling legal VS non legal waters? Sure I do. Population estimates based on Fyke netting, creel surveys, and electrofishing are quite accurate. Lakes that are open to trolling do not seem to be suffering in the least from what I can see based upon the population of muskies present. Population density IS what it IS. Are you saying the population density in the lakes you wish to protect is higher than lakes elsewhere where trolling is legal, or are you saying the population is lower? Why would trolling be responsible for, or not responsible for either? You overestimate the effectiveness, I fear.
People are what they are. To try to keep them away from some place or another by making it less attractive is fine, but pretty counterproductive to our economy up here. My humble opinion, legalizing trolling would hardly create a blip on the radar screen in the North. |
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| (Swinging my watch)
(@@) Now that you are hypnotized, repeat after me, "there are no musky in U.P. lakes, there are no musky in U.P. lakes" When told there are musky in the U.P. lakes you will answer, "No there's not!!! No musky in the U.P. lakes. None to be caught casting OR trolling. Only U.P. lakes with musky are the border lakes. No reason to fish any others up there either."
(Snap my fingers)
Now go musky fishing. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | You are dating yourself there, Chuck. No one carries a pocket watch anymore...:)  |
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| 1. Your boat, your choice, not my place to say anything about where/how we fish.
2. Webster is 774 acres, quite different from a 200 acre lake |
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| (Swinging my watch)
(@@) Now that you are hypnotized, repeat after me, "there are no musky in U.P. lakes, there are no musky in U.P. lakes" When told there are musky in the U.P. lakes you will answer, "No there's not!!! No musky in the U.P. lakes. None to be caught casting OR trolling. Only U.P. lakes with musky are the border lakes. No reason to fish any others up there either."
(Snap my fingers) Now go musky fishing.
very funny.
nicely done.
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| Okay,
(swinging my i-pod by the cord) LOL
That probably works with these younger guys.
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Location: Watertown, MN | Waves make the wind Blow!
Trolling is Bad for the fishery? hell mn should be falling apart by now. cause you can troll on all waters, any size and shape, nationalitity, wi or mn strain, stained or clear water, north of 694, and only between the hours 1201 pm to 1159 am
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| Please correct me if I am wrong here.
The way I see it, (as of this posting) 151 people are in favor of trolling and 44 are not. Now, that being said, for the people in favor, some concessions would have to be made. I think that a great majority of the 151 could come to an agreement on what would be acceptable regulations for trolling. 3.43:1 for people in favor of trolling of some sort.
For those opposed to trolling on smaller lakes, what would happen to the fishing with suckers issue? Isn't that why this discussion was brought up in the first place, to get rid of the grey area of that rule? These are not snotty questions, but ones that sitting back and thinking about all 2,168 views and 128 posts hit me. Why did this discussion and debate start?
I am one in favor of trolling on any size lake for the reason of fishing with suckers on any lake that I choose. One lake that I would not worry a whole lot about trollers on Steve is the lake between us. Even as a seasoned troller, it would be a night mare to troll. To many headaches to even mess with. Too much structure in all the wrong places for trolling, but not casting. Now, casting with a sucker out? That is a different story. |
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| Make it simple, no motor trolling allowed on lakes under 500 acres, done.
How to word the live bait fishing regulations so there's no room for misinterpretation: ???????
How high is up?
The fact that even the wardens can't figure out what is and isn't illegal IS a problem. But I don't know how to word it so there isn't some confusion.
Has anybody out there actually gotten a citation for trolling having a sucker out while casting?
Edited by esoxaddict 11/6/2007 2:54 PM
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Location: Rhinelander, WI | In my opinion, because the way the system works it IS up to the pro trollers to prove their case. The current law is no trolling so that is the easy vote. To get a new trolling regulation passed it will require good sound reasoning. And good info on how it won’t harm the fishery. Especialy coming from people that have strongly advocated for higher size limits in the past as a protection tool.
Here is what is going to be said:
“Guide X who fishes 200+ days a year now has a technique to put even more big fish in the boat and as a result more big fish will be kept, JUST LIKE IN THE 80s with backtrolling.”
I don’t agree with the above statement entirely but it is true that this tool will result in more fish caught by, people willing to take the time to learn it properly. That’s why most want it, correct? It is not easy, but it is a better tool for some situations. You can pound a nail with a crescent wrench, but a hammer sure makes it easier. You can catch fish casting crank baits over open water, but trolling will sure make it easier to get the baits where the fish are and keep them there. There is no denying that. The question that needs to be answered is “is that a bad thing?”
Nail A Pig!
Mike
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| Guest - 11/1/2007 11:55 AM
More fish are being caught today than 20 years ago. More larger fish are being caught today than 20 years ago. A higher percentage are being released today than 20 years ago. So, that tells me that people have been educated on catch and release.
So, what is the problem with trolling where people think more fish are going to be caught? Do you really think that a person is going to start keeping big fish NOW because they can troll? I don't think so.
What is boils down to is what was stated in a post above. "Generally those that lack knowlege in something are the most affraid of it or the strongest against it."
You know me.
Again, this is all that needs to be said to answer that question. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | i say we all get together and play euchre for the outcome ... wow, this is a polarizing subject. there seems to be an either or position without middle ground.
one observation ... reelman, folks that have a point on the other side of trolling doesn't mean we don't know how (most of us are pretty experienced in approaching fish) because we also fish minnesota, canada and the current trolling waters of wisconsin ... so be careful not to make assumptions about those on the "other" side of the debate.
also, there is likely no "right" or "wrong" on this subject and this thread could be argued beyond reason without any conclusions drawn.
it is more akin to whether a pristine golf course should allow carts to me ... or keep things the way they are for nostalgic and traditional reasons. and ... not all "traditionalists" are meat-headed kill the fish kind of people who don't want larger limits ... so don't paint us that way.
tough subject .... i'm glad to see others in the discussion other than just steve and i arguing over a saturday morning ....
winternet ... this is a great subject! hope nothing happens lol |
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Location: Barrington, Il | Wouldn't want to be able to catch more fish. |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | Trolling with ONE rod per person on all lakes, NO live bait-sucker fishing for Muskies !!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| As long as there is some differentiation made between large and small lakes and a limit to the # of lines you can have out, I don't see a problem with trolling. But unrestricted? No way. Mike Roberts has a pretty good idea going on another thread.
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