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338Muskie
Posted 8/31/2006 11:11 AM (#207419)
Subject: Burnning Bucktails ???


When your casting bucktails how fast are they going? 3.5 4. 4.5 5. mpr.

Thanks
agrimm
Posted 8/31/2006 11:40 AM (#207426 - in reply to #207419)
Subject: RE: Burnning Bucktails ???





Posts: 427


Location: Wausau
Not sure the speed, but as fast as I can pick up the line...
MuskieMedic
Posted 8/31/2006 12:34 PM (#207433 - in reply to #207419)
Subject: RE: Burnning Bucktails ???





Posts: 2091


Location: Stevens Point, WI
If I remember correctly it was computed that you can reel in no more than a few miles per hour, there is no such thing as burning a bucktail too fast. I crank fast!
Stein
Posted 8/31/2006 12:57 PM (#207439 - in reply to #207419)
Subject: RE: Burnning Bucktails ???





Posts: 199


Location: Nebraska
Assuming spool diameter of 1.5", 5.3 ratio, 120 revs per minute:

1.5x3.14x5.3x120 = 2,995.56 in/min
2,995.56/12=249.63 ft/min
249.63/5,280=.0472784 miles/min
.0472784x60=2.839704 miles/hour (roughly)
Stein
Posted 8/31/2006 1:03 PM (#207442 - in reply to #207419)
Subject: RE: Burnning Bucktails ???





Posts: 199


Location: Nebraska
As an incentive, and to show how keeping a full spool of line affects things, increasing spool diameter only 1/8" per side (where I usually replace line) to 1.75, the same calculations gets you up to 3.3 mph.
jlong
Posted 8/31/2006 1:55 PM (#207446 - in reply to #207442)
Subject: RE: Burnning Bucktails ???





Posts: 1937


Location: Black Creek, WI
So in comparison to speed trolling at 8 MPH... burning Hair is slow?
sputterbug
Posted 8/31/2006 1:56 PM (#207447 - in reply to #207442)
Subject: RE: Burnning Bucktails ???





Posts: 364


Location: Kentucky
Stein,

Could you do my taxes?

Thanks for the precision, man...
Stein
Posted 8/31/2006 2:19 PM (#207448 - in reply to #207419)
Subject: RE: Burnning Bucktails ???





Posts: 199


Location: Nebraska
Goes to show that you can't reel too fast.

See, there was a reason to pay attention in skool.
Bytor
Posted 8/31/2006 2:52 PM (#207456 - in reply to #207419)
Subject: RE: Burnning Bucktails ???





Location: The Yahara Chain
Your calculations seemed to based on two revolutions per second...when I am burning a bucktail I easily get 3-4 revolutions per second. I would guess that my bucktail is coming in around 5 MPH.

Edited by Bytor 8/31/2006 2:52 PM
Stein
Posted 8/31/2006 2:59 PM (#207457 - in reply to #207419)
Subject: RE: Burnning Bucktails ???





Posts: 199


Location: Nebraska
Good point. That's why I listed the assumtions in the post--so people could adjust for their own situation. I had to start somewhere. Also, many will have other ratios that would dramatically affect speed.

Edited by Stein 8/31/2006 3:01 PM
Guest
Posted 8/31/2006 4:18 PM (#207469 - in reply to #207419)
Subject: RE: Burnning Bucktails ???


Because the rate of line retrieved changes as your spool fills up, the only accurate way would be to cast out, measure that distance, time your retrieve in, then get busy with a calculator.
Herb_b
Posted 9/1/2006 8:46 AM (#207516 - in reply to #207419)
Subject: RE: Burnning Bucktails ???





Posts: 829


Location: Maple Grove, MN
The ABU 7000 reels have larger spools than 6500 class reels so they would be better for burning bucktails. Correct?

Might have to get one.....
kdawg
Posted 9/1/2006 9:40 AM (#207522 - in reply to #207516)
Subject: RE: Burnning Bucktails ???




Posts: 756


The 7000 reel is the way to go for burning. They may be big and heavy, but once you use one, you will be amazed at how easy they handle bucktails and for the most part all musky fishing, especially larger baits. I've heard of fishermen moving up to the 7000 reels then never going back to the smaller reels, with the exception in spring when smaller lures are used. Kdawg
Mikes Extreme
Posted 9/1/2006 11:00 AM (#207535 - in reply to #207522)
Subject: RE: Burnning Bucktails ???





Posts: 2691


Location: Pewaukee, Wisconsin
When burning bucktails last year I wondered the same thing about how fast they were going. So I fired up the boat and kicked up the speed until the bucktail got going around the same speed as it was being burned.

4.5 to 5.5 mpg (oops--mph) was what I was burning Lungentails at.

Speed will get you strikes when they will not follow a bucktail. We had no luck on bucktails until we cranked up the speed as fast as we could reel them in, then the strikes started to come. Burning tails will work.

Edited by Mikes Extreme 9/1/2006 1:20 PM
Pointerpride102
Posted 9/1/2006 11:09 AM (#207537 - in reply to #207419)
Subject: RE: Burnning Bucktails ???





Posts: 16632


Location: The desert
Your bucktails get 4.5 to 5.5 miles per gallons? Thats got to be a sweet bucktail.....what size gas tank does it have? LOL!

Mike
Guest
Posted 9/1/2006 12:04 PM (#207544 - in reply to #207537)
Subject: RE: Burnning Bucktails ???


"Your bucktails get 4.5 to 5.5 miles per gallons? Thats got to be a sweet bucktail.....what size gas tank does it have? LOL! "

LMAO That made my day!
Mikes Extreme
Posted 9/1/2006 1:19 PM (#207563 - in reply to #207544)
Subject: RE: Burnning Bucktails ???





Posts: 2691


Location: Pewaukee, Wisconsin
First you hook the bucktail through the lips of said person, then ramp up the speed to 4.5 to 5.5 mph and watch the fun behind the boat. You should get 4.5 to 5.5 miles per gallon of funny flopping around behind the boat from lip hooked boat sluts. LOL
Ranger
Posted 9/1/2006 2:26 PM (#207577 - in reply to #207419)
Subject: RE: Burnning Bucktails ???





Posts: 3864


To take it to the other extreeme...

Hirsches Ghosttails, regulars, are the best slow moving bucktails I've ever found and they can be awesome. I've yet to find another where I can tip the rod down and the slack allows the bait to slowly dive, with the balde still lopp lopping around. To a follow it likely looks like the bait is heading for cover. You can also buldge the surface but the bait isn't really moving all that fast, making it a very easy target for the fish. Last, the black perch, with the black balde, is great at night, a big throbbinbg but slow bait that rides high above weeds. White perch with a white blade is just killer in daytime clear water.

The only downer is that, due to the straight wire design, fish bend the hell out of them and they can be hard to straighten out. (Big bass love them.) I've learned to buy two or three at a time. Fortunatly, they are pretty cheap to buy, like $8 or so, as I recall. Well worth the money, I've worn out a half dozen in the last few years and I have no complaints.
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