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when do you head for shelter?
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Message Subject: when do you head for shelter?
muskiefishman
Posted 6/27/2006 1:37 PM (#198290 - in reply to #198184)
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MuskyMonk
Posted 6/27/2006 2:33 PM (#198301 - in reply to #198184)
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Absolutely no reason to "push the envelope". Like others said, you can't catch many fish pushing up daisies. If you can hear thunder, you are in danger, plain and simple. Get off the water! If your hair stands up, your rod tips start "ticking", the line you just cast out is "levating" off the water.... not good.

Was caught in a helluva a storm while on a fishing trip in Ontario, back in '91. Damm thing rolled up on us so fast, we didn't have a chance. You could see the front and 'lines' of clouds get blacker and blacker. That was my "Scared Straight" experience.

Now a nice misting rain, or just a good ole' rain shower is another thing. Have had great action in those conditions. But if I can hear thunder, I'll enjoy my beer and dry seat at the bar, thank you very much.
firstsixfeet
Posted 6/27/2006 2:53 PM (#198305 - in reply to #198255)
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8inchcrank - 6/27/2006 9:56 AM

You guys are making me feel stupid. :-)


If you are fishing in electrical storms, young, or married with kids, it is certainly something to think about. You want your wife and kids living a few decades without you because you were horny to get a FISH?????

Regardless though it does come down to acceptable risk. From what I have read, lightning does not even decide to strike until it is within 50 feet of the ground so it is somewhat questionable whether being the tallest thing increases your risk appreciably or not.
But anybody within 50 feet of a lightning strike can take a heck of a jolt. I have been knocked pretty good a couple different times on land INSIDE buildings and it is no fun, couldn't imagine taking a direct hit.

And in spite of everyone being afraid of being KILLED by lightning only 1/10 are killed outright, but think about this, a much greater percentage of lightning targets are done permanent damage in their sensory capability or even partial to full paralysis. That is even more sobering to me. Life is a terminal condition and you aren't going to get out alive, but how would you like to spend the rest of your life in a wheelchair, thinking about how stupid you were, or spend it without sight, or a sense of taste or hearing? Lots of things are worse than death, imo.
esoxaddict
Posted 6/27/2006 3:28 PM (#198311 - in reply to #198184)
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That's why I avoid lightning

I could handle being killed that way -- not a bad way to go when you think about it -- dead before you hit the ground beats 6 months of wasting away in a hospital with tubes coming out every hole...

But lightning turns people into vegetables 90% of the time and only kills the lucky ones...
ricepicker
Posted 6/27/2006 3:41 PM (#198313 - in reply to #198184)
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I agree that if you hear thunder you are in danger. I have three friends who did everything right to get off the water and stay away from tall trees and still got hit by lightning and lived to tell about it. There is an interesting device out that has literally saved my behind. Go to StrikeAlert.com. I have thanked the client who introduced me to it many times and will not fish without it.
fish4musky1
Posted 6/27/2006 9:29 PM (#198338 - in reply to #198184)
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Location: Northern Wisconsin
we start heading in when we hear thunder. we always play it safe with lightning.
mikie
Posted 6/28/2006 12:55 PM (#198402 - in reply to #198184)
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Location: Athens, Ohio
This happened just last week, guy is still in intensive care:

An Ohio University police officer remained hospitalized at Ohio State University Medical Center in Columbus on Sunday, three days after a lightning strike in Hocking County injured him and five others.

Nathan Van Oort, 44, and a group of law enforcement personnel were running from Athens to Columbus Thursday while participating in the Law Enforcement Torch Run to benefit the Special Olympics. At about 1:55 p.m., the group stopped to eat in a picnic shelter at Sprouts Pre-School near U.S. Rt. 33 and Chieftain Drive several miles west of Logan.

The lightning splintered one corner post of the shelter, and Van Oort, fellow Ohio University Police Officer Steve Noftz, Athens Police Officer Rick Crossen, State Highway Patrol Troopers Ira Walker and Steve Daugherty and Lancaster businessman Charles Murray were hurt.

"It was kind of like an animation, like slow motion," said Crossen on Sunday. "It was the most unreal thing I've ever heard."

Ohio University police officers Don Combs, Cathy Hart and Tim Woodyard did not suffer injuries despite being at the site, reported Woodyard's wife, Tiffany, on Sunday.

Further information on Van Oort's condition was unavailable at his family's request, said OSU Medical Center media relations coordinator Betsy Samuels on Friday.

Tai Shamshar of the OSU hospital said Sunday that there was no update. Shamshar confirmed, however, that Van Oort was still hospitalized at the facility.

The Columbus Dispatch reported Friday that Van Oort had been in the intensive care unit on Thursday night, and the NBC4 television station in Columbus reported Friday that he was in critical condition.

OU officer Woodyard was at OSU Medical Center visiting Van Oort on Sunday, said Tiffany Woodyard.

Van Oort was the most severly injured, and officers performed CPR on him and Murray at the scene. Crossen and Noftz were released from the OSU Medical Center Friday morning, and Daugherty and Walker were treated and released at a Logan hospital.

Crossen said he was just a few feet away from Van Oort when the strike occurred, but the main effect he endured was tingling in his lower extremities.

"It blew me back," recalled Crossen. "It never knocked me out as far as I know."

The Athens Police officer comforted Murray's son in the aftermath while others worked on the two unconscious men.

"Once everything came back into real time, so to speak ... that's the first thing I heard was him screaming for his daddy," he said.

Crossen took Murray's son into the school, where he noticed that a number of kids in the gymnasium were crying due to the noise made by the lightning. Murray was revived at the scene.

Van Oort had returned in January from military duty in Iraq as a member of the Ohio Army National Guard, and he has worked at OU since 2000.

The Fraternal Order of Police Lodge No. 55 and the local chapter of the Ohio Patrolman's Benevolent Association announced Saturday that the groups have set up a fund to assist Van Oort's family. Donations will be accepted at the Athens Police Department headquarters or at any Hocking Valley Bank location.

"The darkest clouds were, like, way away from us," said Crossen. "It was sunny. It never did rain there."
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seaman
Posted 6/28/2006 2:08 PM (#198414 - in reply to #198184)
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Location: ontario canada - Well Anderson Indiana now
Many years ago while on vacation in northern ontario we had a huge storm roll through almost unannounced, pretty typical for those "northern storms". The cottage we rented had a small piece of carpet for the "living room" and it was held down by a metal border which was screwed into the floor. As the storm passed over us my brother was standing on one of those screws as lightning hit the cottage and he was sent clear across the room and his toe was black. Needless to say I learned that we must be very careful even when indoors as a storm passes through.

And as I mentioned before, if you are new to being in northern climates, be very careful as these storms can really sneak up on you quickly and are usually extremely violent.

Be careful out there.

Doug M
lobi
Posted 6/28/2006 3:07 PM (#198423 - in reply to #198184)
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Location: Holly, MI
I'm not too fond of the lightning/water/graphite attractors combo.
I did fish this one out however.. (see below) Caught 2 very nice fish on the front.


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Don Pfeiffer
Posted 6/28/2006 6:19 PM (#198448 - in reply to #198184)
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Location: Rhinelander.
I know this I was surprised they sent us out on sat of the P.M.T.T tournament. I would have bet that they were going to hold us up. I headed to the river where I figured the higher banks and trees would get it first. Was I right! a bolt took a tree out about 200 feet from us and scared me to a full head of gray hair.

Now I'll get the hell off the water 100% for sure............

Pfeiff
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