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Location: Iowa | I have posted about this before and now that I am seriously making my own leaders I was wondering if having a high poundage of wire will have more stress put on it when the twists at either end of the solid wire leader causing them to break....I was think of using the single strand Mason wire in the 330# test range for big jerkbaits leaders in the 16" range...and then some smaller leaders in the 12" range for other baits...I was also thinking of using Aussie Snap swivel and an Aussie barrel swivel at the other end...any help on this would be greatly appreciated...thanks in advance
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Location: Yahara River Chain | No, you should not be able to break them due to stress from bending. While its a bit "overkill" to use that heavy of poundage for leaders, the only reason I can think of for doing so, is if you use split rings and thicker diameter wire will have a much harder time getting started to come "undone".
It also a ilttle tough on the fingers to bend that high poundage wire.
Big Perc, what's a Aussie snap & barrel swivel? |
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Location: oswego, il | The high poundage wire will be fine but a word of caution here. I use 360 and have found it has killed the action of some of my gliders. So have the triple split rings. I went to a 105 and will use 124lb single wire and so far it has improved greatly the action of baits that are very leader sensitive. |
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Location: Nekoosa, WI | 330# is more than you need. I think 174# is about as close to perfect as you can get. I make all of mine with 174 and it does not seem to hinder vey many baits in terms of action. With baits that are finicky with the straight 174# wire, I run Tyger leader. Hope this helps. Jason Bovee |
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| Perc, bigger may be better is some aspects of the game, but wire that big is overkill. 175#, 150# even, or if you must 200#....but like was mentioned, it will kill the action on some gliders. Hell, I keep coils of wire in the boat for making leaders.....if fishing is that good. I can make one in about 2 minutes. Form a loop, grab with Visegrips and twist, keeping the coils close together....repeat.
Use some single strand GOOD QUALITY wire. Put a loop at one end and a barrel swivel or ball bearing swivel on the other end, depending on the use intended. Again, this is where you put your money.......where you make connections.
I don't use snaps of any kind. I use the loop on the end of the leader, and put QUALITY split rings on all of my lures, and slide the leader loop on to the split ring. I've had snaps open, but never a splitring.
I forget who turned us on to that, but I haven't used a leader with a snap in three years or more, unless it's the only way to connect the lure.
You can make a lot of leaders for the cost of a coil of wire. No more trying to straighten them, or get a kink out. Any sign of deformity, and out they go.
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| you really don't need anything over 150lb for any application. 90lb-130 is really practical as far as not weighting the front of your bait down, causing interference with desired action, and it is pretty hard to break that stuff with just bending it once in any direction. Try sitting down and bending it back and forth to see how many times it takes to break. this alone will give you piece of mind.
I highly recommend for the snap end if you go with a snap over a split ring is Stringease stay-loc snaps. Ill give anyone my house if they can say that one of these has opened up on them. they are the S$%t! as far as swivels go, I use them and I don't. sometimes I like a leader without a swivel, and somethimes with. youll have to whip out a bunch of different options and see what suits your needs. everyone likes something different.
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| dogboy - 4/24/2006 10:20 AM
you really don't need anything over 150lb for any application. 90lb-130 is really practical as far as not weighting the front of your bait down, causing interference with desired action, and it is pretty hard to break that stuff with just bending it once in any direction. Try sitting down and bending it back and forth to see how many times it takes to break. this alone will give you piece of mind.
I highly recommend for the snap end if you go with a snap over a split ring is Stringease stay-loc snaps. Ill give anyone my house if they can say that one of these has opened up on them. they are the S$%t! as far as swivels go, I use them and I don't. sometimes I like a leader without a swivel, and somethimes with. youll have to whip out a bunch of different options and see what suits your needs. everyone likes something different.
You can send the deed to your house to me. I have had a String Ease open up. A 44" on The Goon last year. After I released her I went in the net looking for my Mag Treat and the snap was open, but the bait still attached. Best snaps on the market, but they are not totally without failures. |
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Location: Ogden, Ut | Yep, Baldy speaks true; I saw it. In fact, I think my words were, "I thought these things weren't supposed to open up."
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Location: Burnsville, MN | I found an interesting snap at the MN Muskie Expo... I have not had a chance to put them to the test yet, but twisted up a dozen or so leaders with them. If they turn out to be a good as they look I'll shout it from the hilltops, until then take a look, see what you think.
www.thedukesnap.com
I use 174lb. Mason single strand, I have never seen any reason to go any bigger than that.
FYI, once you start making your own leaders, your friends stop buying them... funny the way that works, get ready for "can I grab a couple of leaders bro?"
Good Luck.
Derek
Edited by D-Rock 4/24/2006 7:44 PM
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| really! wow, I have guys in my boat who cant operate the #*^@ things, didn't know fish could open em up! hehe, well I guess Im moving then. really they're pretty good though. I've never had one fail in about 4years of using them exclusively.
the question is: do you know of a better snap than stringease other than a split ring? |
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| dogboy - 4/25/2006 8:46 AM
really! wow, I have guys in my boat who cant operate the #*^@ things, didn't know fish could open em up! hehe, well I guess Im moving then. really they're pretty good though. I've never had one fail in about 4years of using them exclusively.
the question is: do you know of a better snap than stringease other than a split ring?
It shocked the crap out of me too.
I dont know of a better snap, though I have seen the Duke snap that is mentioned above. Looks good too.
I do continue to use the Stay Loks, but I check them periodically to make sure that they are still closed.
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| I make my own heavy duty stayloks now too...along with my leaders
500lb wire from stamina, pretty intensive the first few i tried, but after that, i can whip about 8 out in 2 hours.
the beauty in that is, you can make them as big or small as you want.
if i had a way, i'd figure out how to make my own split rings!!!
almost done making my 13" suick...named the O.H. Underbob!
can't wait to nail one on it!!! |
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