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| Hey Lambeau,
I first would like to thank you and others for stating your views on this issue. I thought this would get much worse about this heated topic. You're a class act Lambeau-- I enjoy an issue when people are professional and respect other peoples opinoins. Even if our opinions are different. So thank you for your well thought out views on vertical holds. The main reason why I express my opinion on this issue is because I'm tired of one fisherman bashing another for holding a fish wrong. (In their opinion) Ex. The GB fish that had an enormous girth. This poor guy got chewed out because of the way he held the fish. (Not musky fishing at the time) He simply didn't diserve the bashing that was going on throughout different chatrooms. He released the monster back to swim again. A lot of people would have kept the fish even though it was out of season. He was knowledgeable enough to know the rules and a good enough guy to follow them.
Earlier, someone stated that you only vertical hold a fish for 2-3 seconds when taking them out of the net. I agree with him on this time frame, but it is still a vertical hold. I only take pictures of larger fish. I don't feel that we have to take pictures of every single fish that we catch. If it's a nice fish in your eyes, leave the fish in the net while you set up your camera. Then take it out for quick photos. We have to remember that everyones idea of a large fish is different depending on the fisherman/woman.
When somenon catches a fish, is it harmful to vertically pull a fish out of the net and lay it back in the water?=====
I don't think any of us want to hurt this wonderful fish-resource. I'm just saying that one should not accuse others of harming a fish without any solid scientific data. If its not a trophy in your eyes, don't bring it in the boat. |
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| What the hell, let's start holding them by the eyeball sockets again.
I haven't read all of the text before this, but I have 2 points.
#1- You see many fish in a vert hold bleeding out of their a$$. I believe it's from their guts getting pushed down into their lower body cavity portion, instead of point #2- a fishes weight is supported by water and distibuted evenly throughout the length of their body. Take away the water, and they lose that support. Good idea to support the fish when the water isn't.
We rip their flesh with pointed pieces of metal, the least that we can do is treat them with respect and common sense once they are in our possession.
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| I'll disagree. I don't feel the author portrayed his OPINION as fact at all. He seem very objective in his presentation... simply saying he held big fish vertically and a high percentage of those those fish were caught AGAIN.
I'm no rocket scientist, but the data presented does seem to prove to me that the recaptured fish survived the intial "the death hang". That seems like fact to me. However, those FACTS don't necessarily prove that verical holds are OK... but it does prove that vertical holds do not kill ALL the fish unfortunate enough to experience one.
And... I feel the author of that article left it up to the reader to decide whether the data will change their mind on how to view vertical holds. I also found it refreshing to see Musky Hunter publish the article on an apparently controversial subject.
like i said, i believe he's overgeneralizing: he recaptured 38% of fish over 50".
you're right, vertical holds don't kill all the fish held that way. obviously.
however, one can hardly conclude it's unharmful when 62% of the study subjects aren't seen again!
the scientists are saying that delayed mortality is likely the result of a combination of stressors, of which vertical holds are one. ie., a fish that's played out, during warm conditions and then vertically held is adding stressor on top of stressor.
if we're netting them quickly to reduce stress, and getting them back in the water quickly to reduce stress, etc., why wouldn't we hold them in the least stressful possible ways (if at all)???
i guessing some of the reaction is likely too the "don't tell me what to do / don't preach at me" tone carried through that section of the article. a criticism that i'm sure is just as valid about many of the post in this current thread. 
also...having to delete a lot of personal attacks in this thread...don't do that. |
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Location: Ames, Iowa | I read the article and noted that the author returned to vertical holds several times- seemed he was trying to win an argument with his rationale. However, I got past that and found a lot of interesting information about fish behavior, that coupled with the Manitowish radio tracking article, might help me catch more fish.
I just bought and watched a video from Bob M. entitled Topwater Muskies. I noted the time many of those fish were out of the water. Maybe that is an old video and he has changed his ways, but from the moment those fish were netted, and then brought into the boat in the net, their heads were out of the water an average of over 100 seconds; one was over 140 seconds if I remember correctly. Now that has got to be tough on mortality.
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| Beaver,
Please read all the threads--They are respectful to others opinions and are very professional. There are hundreds of horizontally held fish that are bleeding from the gills also-- Lambeau--A musky fisherman caught one fish eight times and vertically held it every time. The sample for 50 inch fish is pretty good considering recaptures. Take your top 42 captures--How many have been recaptured again by yourself. I understand your point and it is a valid one. He is not stating that horizantal holds are bad, nor is he stating to stop that practice. He is just pointing some interesting facts on vertical holds. You have to give him credit for writting such a controversial topic. Most top pros stay as far away from any publication that has a chance of any repercussion. |
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| Lambeau- Take your top 42 captures--How many have been recaptured again by yourself.
lol.
the next 50" fish i catch will leave me with only 41 more to go...
i think this one's run it's course.
i guess when we're debating something as "minor" as hold techniques it's a sign that things are actually in a very good place - because we're not debating the "major" issue of whether or not to release fish!
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