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Gander Mt Guide
Posted 4/4/2005 9:16 AM (#141658)
Subject: Vipers Without the Weight Insert





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Location: Waukesha & Land O Lakes, WI
Anybody know if Vipers can/will be made without that weight insert hole? If so, where can I get them?
Muskie Treats
Posted 4/4/2005 9:24 AM (#141661 - in reply to #141658)
Subject: RE: Vipers Without the Weight Insert





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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot
Todd is eventually going to start making them that way. Too many cracking problems with the weight insert.
Gander Mt Guide
Posted 4/4/2005 9:39 AM (#141663 - in reply to #141661)
Subject: RE: Vipers Without the Weight Insert





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Location: Waukesha & Land O Lakes, WI
I tried sealing up the hole with silicon with sme success, but I too noticed the same problem, alot of cracking.
MNSteveH
Posted 4/4/2005 9:41 AM (#141664 - in reply to #141658)
Subject: RE: Vipers Without the Weight Insert


The new Vipers on sale at the Minnesota Muskie Expo did not have the holes, which is actually a downer for me becasue I like to run them with a 1/8 oz weight - they run a little lower in the water and glide a little wider that way.
Gander Mt Guide
Posted 4/4/2005 9:45 AM (#141666 - in reply to #141664)
Subject: RE: Vipers Without the Weight Insert





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Location: Waukesha & Land O Lakes, WI
Do you have any problems keeping the bait on the surface with that 1/8th oz weight Steve?
David_4
Posted 4/4/2005 10:46 AM (#141679 - in reply to #141661)
Subject: RE: Vipers Without the Weight Insert





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Location: Huber Heights, Ohio
Since there is a problem with cracking, what is the fix without buying new baits?
Gander Mt Guide
Posted 4/4/2005 11:10 AM (#141681 - in reply to #141679)
Subject: RE: Vipers Without the Weight Insert





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Location: Waukesha & Land O Lakes, WI
I tried nail polish.
Esox1850
Posted 4/4/2005 12:51 PM (#141692 - in reply to #141658)
Subject: RE: Vipers Without the Weight Insert




Buy some of the two part Epoxy that dries clear. I use in on my other stuff like jerkbaits I weight. I put some of the clear finish epoxy over the weight once it is in the bait and it works really well.
David_4
Posted 4/5/2005 11:29 AM (#141807 - in reply to #141658)
Subject: RE: Vipers Without the Weight Insert





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Location: Huber Heights, Ohio
Anyone know how to weight them with the weight insert removed? I'm looking for specifics such as hole diameter and amount of lead to use. I want it to ride in the water somewhat like a Weagle.
chico
Posted 4/5/2005 6:48 PM (#141873 - in reply to #141658)
Subject: RE: Vipers Without the Weight Insert





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Location: Lincoln UK
I had the cracking problem last year and although it didn't effect all my Vipers it was the majority(6/8) I tried contacting the maker but got nothing back but the conclusion I came to was that it wasn't just the insert that was the problem. All my cracks were from the insert to the rear screw eye and the cracks always started from both ends indicating a major stress raiser. No matter what I tried once the crack had started there was simply no stopping it. Around the weight insert may well start to crack but it shouldn't head straight to the rear screweye but it seems that the rear screw eyes were all incredibly tight and I think it was this that caused the crack to spread so far. Now nobody wants their screw eyes loose but maybe a slightly larger pilot hole might have solved the problem.
With regard to how much weight and where to put it on unweighted models, the weight of lead weight you used to use plus the insert in that spot is a good start point. As you want to keep the weight low down two similar sized holes close together is better than 1 deep one. It is always easier to take some out than add it though, so overweight first.
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