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Location: Red Wing, Minnesota | Michigan Wheel - "Ballistic" 3-Blade Stainless Steel Propeller
Size: 13 3/8 diameter X 19 pitch
Part Number: 335932 YAM
Fits: Yamaha Outboards: 50 - 130 hp
Was on my F115. This is a used propeller in perfect condition with no dings, scratches or repairs.
I am going to a 17 pitch prop.
Price: $170.00 plus $20.00 shipping
You can E-mail me for pictures.
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| What kind of RPM's did you see with this prop, and on what boat?
Probably too much prop for my rig as well (90hp 2 stroke) but am curious to see what numbers you had..
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Location: Black Creek, WI | I'm interested in this prop as well.
What boat/rig were you spinning it on? RPM's?
I'm running an F115 4-stroke and tried out a 13x19 SS last summer. Didn't do anything for hole shot or top end speed.... but really improved my mid-range performance versus my 13x19 aluminum props. For that price.... I may be interested in making a deal.
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Location: Red Wing, Minnesota | Guys,
I am running a 2002 1700 Lund Angler SS. Boat has a 92" beam. 1115 lb. dry weight. Motor is 403 lb. Have 3 batteries onboard. 32 gallon gas tank. Bow mount trolling motor.
With (2) guys and normal Musky fishing gear I get 45 mph (GPS). At full throttle and fully trimmed out I'm running between 5400 and 5500 rpms.
The rpm range for the F115 is 5000 -6000 rpm. I want to be closer to 6000 rpm than I am now. With that in mind, I was looking seriously at a 16 pitch 4-blade SS Powertech prop. However, I found a 17 pitch "Ballistic" for less than half of money I would spend on the Powertech. So I am going to give it a try. Using the "200 rpm per inch of pitch" rule, I should gain approx. 400 rpm with the 17 pitch ballistic.
With my stock 19 pitch aluminum prop I was turning 5800 - 5900 rpm. With some SS props you will lose rpms because of blade cupping and other variables of the prop manufacturer. It's a "Tangled-Web" this "Finding the right prop" business!
I want to sell my prop but I don't want to sell it to someone who will be disappointed with it.
I was impressed by the improvement in performance from aluminum to stainless. A lot less blow-out, less trimming when cornering, and a lot better bow-lift. I will say that the "hole-shot" wasn't improved much from my aluminum. But overall it was far superior performance.
I hope this answers your questions.
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Location: Black Creek, WI | Spallgard,
Thanks for the info. My F115 is spinning 5900-6000 RPM with the stock Yamy 13x19 Aluminum prop which gives me about 42 MPH via GPS. I tried a Yamy 13x19 Stainless last summer and I could spin 5700 RPM but only get maybe 40 MPH at top end. No noticeable difference on the hole shot. But, I could cruise at 35 MPH at about 4000 RPM... which is why I'm considering a Stainless Prop.
I'm assuming that the Ballistic has a little more aggressive cupping and I won't be able to spin it as fast as the Yamy 13x19 SS I tried last season??? If so... it may not be a good option for me. I'm thinking I may need to try what you are doing... and look at a 17 pitch?? What do you think?
jlong
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| I am almost positive I will not be able to turn it, since I have a 90hp 2 stroke, that I have yet to test...but I might... I am wondering, though, what bolt hole your motors are mounted in. If the motor is mounted all the way down, or one hole up, you are probably not getting the most out of your motor.
With that particular prop, your motor can be mounted at least 2 holes up off the transom. The motor is designed to run in any of the bolt holes without loss of water pressure, so you would be safe to play with motor height all the way to the top hole. The less motor in the water will give you an extra 100 RPMs or so for each bolt hole you move up, depending on your boat load.
Jason, the stainless 13x19 (all black...)prop is exactly the same as your stock aluminum in design which only gives you a little better hole shot.
Hey...if the 17 pitch does not work out, please let me know...I would be highly interested in that one..
Steve
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Location: Black Creek, WI | VMS.... yah... the all black one is what I tried. Saw no value in "upgrading" to that particular SS. Thus, I'm still running aluminum.... but keeping my eyes open for any potential improvement other SS props might do for me.
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Location: Red Wing, Minnesota | Hi Guys,
Jlong, I think you would see what you are looking for in a 17 pitch SS prop. When I get my boat out in the next week or two I will shake down the 17 pitch ballistic. I will come back here and let you know how it works. Also, if your interested, Check out the "Powertech" web site. (www.ptprop.com) They have a work sheet you can fill out online with your boat's performance characteristics with your stock prop. Then you can also tell them what performance characteristics you are seeking in a prop. Within 1 or 2 days they will E-mail you back with a recommendation. I was impressed with the speed of their response and how helpful they are.
VMS steve,
I'm running my motor in the 2nd hole from the top. Most recommended location for this motor I've run across. The fact that my 19 pitch stock aluminum prop was perfectly in the RPM range proves it. If I were to raise up one hole, I would be running over 6000 RPM. A 19 pitch in this prop style (SS Ballistic) is "overpropped" plain and simple. Yamaha's web site has performance bulletins or at least they used to before Lund went Merc that showed my boat and motor with a Yamaha 19 pitch Pro Series SS that performed very well and at good RPMs. (5900 if I remember correctly) The Pro Series SS props are a lot more expensive than the black Yamaha SS 19 pitch that Jlong tried. Same pitch but different performance characteristics. A guy could get really balled up raising and lowering the motor, changing props, etc., etc.
As I said earlier, when I shake out this 17 pitch I will come back and report how it worked. I'm thinking I should be right in the ball park. I live in Red Wing, MN and can hop on the Mississippi anytime. I just need a couple days off to get the boat ready.
DaveM
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| Dave,
I would agree that on your rig, you would probably be over-propped with the 19 pitch, even if you raised the motor. One thing, though, with those performance bullitens....they are used as a guide only. Manufacturers choose those positions becuase they are effective in maintaining good handling characteristics with an inexpensive prop to keep cost down. On my last rig, I played with all the different motor heights with different props. I was able to find a prop that was aluminum and could run the boat efficiently in lowest bolt hole on the motor (highest motor height)
Every boat will perform differently with different props etc. The idea of a stainless cupped prop is to get better bite on the water, which allows you to run a higher motor height. If you were to move your motor up with the 19 pitch, sure..you are going to overrev. With the stainless 17 you are going to try, (going stainless approximations: -200 rpm in same pitch and diameter, add in a very agressive cup -200, increase3/8 inch in diameter -150, drop in pitch from 19 to 17, +400) you may very well find that your motor will run about 150 rpms lower than your stock 19. With the ballistic, raise that motor to the 3rd hole up(after you have tested it and find where your RPM range is) and that prop will still grab well, but you gain another 150 -200 rpms and a substantial increase in speed. And....this is a fun project. There is nothing like finding that prop cobination which makes your boat feel like it is floating on air and is highly responsive to direction and thrust changes. Along with that, you get the best gas mileage as well because your boat is running at the highest efficiency rate possible.
Steve
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Location: Black Creek, WI | Thanks Spallgard and VMS... you both have been very helpful.
A new prop is not on top of my list of items to purchase.... but I feel I have a better idea of what to keep my eyes out for. Thanks.
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| Spallgard,
Have you sold this prop yet?? I have a 2000 Pro Sport 17 with a 115 yamaha saltwater series. I am currently running a stock Al 19P in the second hole up and the RPM's are right in the sweet spot. However I am not getting nearly enough bow lift and experience blowout when I'm trimmed to the max.
I'm looking for a SS that will give me better bite and allow more bow lift but yet I don't want to drop RPMs. Do you think this prop your selling would fit my need or do you also think I'll have to drop to a 17 to keep my RPMs up with a cupped performance SS prop??
Thanks,
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Location: Red Wing, Minnesota | Ryan,
Yes, I think you will need to go to a 17P SS prop. Your Prosport 17 and my Angler 1700 are pretty similar in size and weight.
I too had good RPMs with my 19P stock aluminum but with the blowout and lack of lift you mentioned. I'm mounted in the same hole you are which is correct for us.
I'm going to be testing out my 17P Ballistic next weekend, I can E-mail you how it works if you want.
I will say that the 19P Ballistic improved bow-lift and decreased blowout dramatically from the aluminum. I just wasn't getting the RPMs that I want.
The only 19P Stainless prop that "I" know of that would work for us would be a very expensive "Pro-Series" Yamaha stainless.
Yamaha has several grades of SS props that will not perform the same as the "Pro-Series" so be wary.
Check out "Walleycentral" they have numerous threads regarding the F115 props and boats similar to ours.
Yes, I still have the prop for sale but cannot in good conscience recommend that you buy it.
Good Luck in your search!
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| Spallgard,
Thanks for the reply. I went back to my boat and looked again and found out that I have a 21 pitch and not a 19. Can this be correct?? I was sure that it was a 19 on there but stamped on the prop it says 21.
What does this do for your thinking on my rig with your prop?? Still not the right combo??
Thanks,
Ryan
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| How'd your numbers turn out over the weekend?
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Location: Red Wing, Minnesota | Ryan,
I guess it all depends on what you describe as your "sweetspot" for RPMs with the 21P. What RPMs were you getting? My sweetspot (IMO) would be 5800-5900 RPM.
I don't know if the saltwater version of the F115 would have a different gear ratio than the freshwater version. Mine is (2.15)
I still think that the 19P Ballistic is not your prop UNLESS, you don't mind running at 5500 RPM at WOT and trimmed out.
VMS,
When I said next weekend, I meant this coming weekend. I see you make the rounds on the sites quite a bit. Did you just sell a 19P Pro-series recently? That would have been a nice buy.
I'll come back after the weekend and let you guys know how the 17P Ballistic works.
Later.
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| Spallgard,
My manual says operate between 4500 and 5500 rpm WOT. With the boat fully loaded and 2 guys I run at 5200. Do you think this is too low. The motor sounds good, not over-winding.
If thats with a 21P prop, then dropping to a 19 would bump me up a couple hundred RPMs correct??
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| Ohhh and my gear ratio is 2.0 (26/13).
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| Sold it about 2 weeks ago to a guy from walleye central (propman...I believe was his name).
I was sure I would not be able to turn it, and I was also unsure if it had been reworked. it was in nice condition, but it showed scrapes from where a grinder/sander may have been used on it. Showed on the edges of the blades and just in front of the cupping.
Steve
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Location: Red Wing, Minnesota | Ryan,
If your gear ratio is 2.0 then things are different. If your owners manual states 4500-5500 then you would be turning at or near 5500 rpm at WOT and trimmed out with the 19P Ballistic. Your gear ratio is slightly taller than mine which accounts for the 500 rpm drop in the high range. I guess you learn something everyday.
I'm thinking that the 19P Ballistic might work out quite well for you now. You shouldn't lose any top end speed and will get rid of a lot of the blowout. Bow lift should improve as well compared to the aluminum 21P.
If you are interested I can E-mail you pictures of the prop.
DaveM
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| Spallgard,
You have mail.
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| can i see a picture of it, i may very well be interestd in buying it [email protected] |
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| can i see a picture of it. I want it for my yamaha 115 4 stroke, will it fit ? |
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| what is best for me is a 17 x 13 4 blade on my xpress 18x56. 45 mph @ 6000. If that ballistic isn't a 19, never mind, and thank you
Edited by Dell 1941 3/25/2012 1:26 PM
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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | Uh.....Dell...?
Did you happen to notice that the last post before yours was dated 2005? 
Steve |
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| duh, no i didn't, for some reason i assumed it was current, thank you for telling me |
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