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| If you go fishing with a guide who trolls,and he picks the spot,he picks the lure,he picks the speed, .You reel in that big fish ,is that your fish or his??? |
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Location: Monee, Illinois | Yours |
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Location: Rockford Il 61108 | His but you got lucky. |
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| its a team effort |
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Location: Oregon | Yours, you paid for it. |
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| BriGuy said it best. A team effort. Steve |
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Location: St. Louis, MO., Marco Is., FL, Nestor Falls, ON | It certainly is your fish. However, most guides count fish caught by their clients as "their fish." And I think rightly so. That is their profession....putting YOU on fish. Big fish caught by their clients certainly credit that guide's marketability. If your stock advisor puts you on to a great stock and you make lots of $$$ from that advice, the money is yours, but the credit goes to the advisor. Best said a "team effort." |
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| If you wanna call it yours, call it yours. If you wanna call it a team effort, call it a team effort. Bottomline is you got one in the boat that day. |
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Location: lansing, il | its the guides job to get YOU a fish, thats what your paying him for. so the way i see it, it is your fish. but trolling does constitute a team effort and if my guide got me on the fish that i reeled in he is due his props for the job well done. because without him there would be no fish. |
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| hmmm....
I wonder why this question is asked?
What if it's a fish caught casting on the guides spot?
The more I think about this question the more I think about what is most likely behind it.
Who cares what anyone else thinks. If you enjoyed catching the fish then it really doesn't matter. My guess is someone is saying "you" shouldn't get credit for a fish because you fished with a guide. Or vice versa someone is taking credit for catching a fish and thinks that their stuff doesn't stink now and you are trying to bring them back to earth by saying that they had nothing to do with it other than reeling the pigster in.
If either is the case I'd say jealousy and competition might be a bit involved and perhaps everyone should take a deep breath and go fishing.
Lastly I'd say that whomever your god is should get the credit.
Congrats!
GM
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| Realistically, it's the guide's fish. He doesn't need a client to troll up a fish. Would have got caught without you there, thus making you incidental to the catch.
These other guys are just trying to put sugar on the situation, but as you describe it, this is the guide's fish.
There are however many scenarios where you fish with a guide and you have a lot of input on catching a fish.
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Location: Holly, MI | I think the Guide gets credit for the Knowledge of the fish, lake, lure types, speed, depth, etc. That is his job..to put you onto a fish.
If you happen to be trolling I sure would hope the guide would hand you the rod. The guides I know hand the rod to the clients every time. If the client lands the fish he gets to hold it for the pic before release. That is his fish, no question. The guide still gets credit for putting you on the fish and will count it towards his record of catches for the year because that is his way of letting people know how good he is at what he does for a living. Nothing wrong with that.
If you are casting and the guide nails a fish he should be fighting that one himself. I would want the guide to be casting right alongside me for sure. Two lures/presentations will raise more fish than one.
Think about a guided hunting trip. You shoot the trophy that the guide puts you on, who takes it home and eats it and gets the rack? You paid for it, hired him to help YOU.. It is your fish or your moose or whatever.
What started this post? Was someone feeling ripped off by a guide or somthing? |
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| actually, it is everybodys fish. What if the fish had been caught the yrear before; that would make the person that caught the fish this year the SECOND person that caught the fish. the Guide may have known the fish was in the general vicinity, but there would be no sure way to know if it would bite at that given time, leading to the conclusion that no matter who knew was where, luck played a part in the catching of the fish. Who can say how many times the fish had been caught in previous yrears, especially if the fish was on the large size. If the fish is released, it then becomes a free agent, and belongs to the next catcher. |
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Location: Eastern Ontario | It's definatly your fish as you had your chance at blowing it. I even trolled a client his personal best ( 53 x 23 ) a few days ago on his lure LOL does that make it more his fish now? LMAO
Wow if the fish my clients release are mine then I can report the 286 MI points this week for myself, I like the sounds of that. LMAO |
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Location: Racine, Wi | It is definitely a team effort. The reason that the client hires the guide can be for many reasons, but mainly to get bit. Once that happens (part of the equation), the client has to fight and land the fish. That in itself doesn't guarantee a fish.
So here is how I see it.
Guide puts client on fish.
(trolling) Rod gets ripped, client fights fish and either
1. lands fish
2. fish gets off.
There is alot of room for error when bringing in the fish, so it can go both ways.
All in all, it is a team effort. The guide is there toput you on fish, and when he does, you must fight, and hopefully land it, which is your half of the deal.
Basically, Just Fish!!!!!
Richard, I dream of having weeks like that. LOL
WTG!!!!
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Location: Maple Grove, MN | What if there is no guide, but just one guy taking a friend to a good spot? He takes them where he has seen fish recently and his friend lands a nice fish?
That scenerio has played out many times over the years in my boat. Many times I've handed people one of my rods with one of my lures and told them exactly where to cast, how to work the lure, and even how to cast a baitcaster.
I think the fish is theirs because they caught it. I was casting too and could have caught it as well.
Would it be more mine if I charged them money? I don't think so.
Just my opinion.
Herb |
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Location: usa | OK, The fish is 70lbs. and new W/R mine or yours!!!! |
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Location: Waukesha & Land O Lakes, WI | What's the difference between a non trolling or trolling trip with a guide? No matter, it's a team effort. I'd think that the guide would say "my client" caught it, and the client should say "we caught it". A good guide never takes the credit, a good client always says "we".
70lber??? I'd imagine it would read that Client X was guided by Guide X on X lake.
Edited by Gander Mt Guide 8/23/2004 9:11 AM
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