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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Already covered in a thread last week.
http://muskie.outdoorsfirst.com/board/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=16... |
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| We almost got our motor tied up in a net you could barely see in Bishop Bay of the NW Angle.
It looks like some guys had tried to pull it up because there were parts of netting cut and laying up on a nearby island.
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| This a very real and increasing problem. I took some of the pictures. If you fish the LOTWs and other Canadian lakes you should be conserned. For more information try this site under "Nets".
http://www.baystorecamp.com/reports.htm
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| For those of you who don't want to read through all the legal mumbo-jumbo of the Sparrow decision which is posted on the other site here's the part that effects most anglers.
"As part of justification -- which the Court would recognize for demonstrable conservation purposes or for public safety purposes -- the Crown must show that the resource is being regulated in accordance with a scheme of priority allocation. This means that there is a hierarchy of priority claims on a harvestable resource. The first priority is conservation: there must be enough breeding stock left to preserve and continue the resource, and that may mean no harvesting at all. If there is to be a harvest, the needs of the Aboriginal food harvest must be met first. If there is still a harvestable resource after conservation and Aboriginal needs are met, the next priority harvest goes to non-Aboriginal commercial harvesters [ Note that the Court does not address any priority of an Aboriginal commercial harvest: see the debate in R. v. Horseman, [1990] 1 S.C.R. 901, a case decided in the same month as Sparrow. Several cases on this point are under reserve with the Court as of January, 1996 ]. Finally, if there is still harvestable stock, sports harvesters have the last claim upon it.
Regulation is the mirror image of allocation. When regulation is needed, the sports fishery is regulated first, then the non-Aboriginal commercial fishery, and then the Aboriginal fishery. The Court adopted this complex scheme of priority allocation without reference to the U.S. cases which, where treaty rights were proven, allocated one-half of the fishery to Indian Tribes with full rights to regulate and manage their half of the resource. If the priority allocation protocol does not work, the Court may eventually be faced with the choice of eroding the protection of Aboriginal and Treaty rights established in this case, or reinforcing them by adopting a percentage allocation instead of a priority allocation."
This means that sport fishermen (you and me) get the last shot at the resourse and will be the first to be regulated. There are other reversals involved with this case regarding commercial fishing by Indians, and that is now allowed. There are suppose to be regulations (quotas, net regulations, fishing areas, etc.) in place, but I have been unable to find anyone who can tell me what they are. There has also been a commercial fishery established in Kenora that is buying fish from the Indians who are commercial fishing.
This is just the tip of the ice berg!
Doug Johnson
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Location: Appleton, WI | I can tell ya a pretty scarey story of what happened to me this past July while fishing an area just north of Monkey Rocks this past July why fishing the Angle. Let's just say that by not having those nets marked, and you have a really heavy wind pounding a rocky shoreline isn't good news to the unexpecting!!!! That reminds me... I have to submit a short story to Frank explaining what happened, and maybe there will be some good that happens out of my mishap.
catch ya later,
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Location: ft wayne, IN | Absolutely disgusting and heartwrenching! I've definitely noticed an increase in these nets up on
LOTW as well. We as fisherman need to fight this one to the bone! It will only worsen with time.... |
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Location: Oak Island, MN | Guys....The more this story unravels, the more it is like a "Walking Tall" movie. The only way anything will come of it, is a show of unity and organization. The Beaver site appears to be the main one addressing this issue. Please show your support there, and give your positive comments.
No one is counting the silent voices. |
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Location: DES MOINES, IOWA | I have a question for Doug.Simply, what do you recommend we do about it.Heck, the local businessmen on LOTW are complaining to the Government,but you know the Govt isn't going to do anything.They really don't give a crap.Sabaskong is taking a severe beating on this netting,with piles of Northerns,and Muskys getting dumped on shore to hide the evidence.How long has the netting to the extent it is now, been going on up there?7 years ago in a week, we probably caught over 150 Northerns,this year only 15 Northerns fishing for Musky.The Walleye fishing has to be even taking a worse beating. |
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| Guys....The more this story unravels, the more it is like a "Walking Tall" movie. The only way anything will come of it, is a show of unity and organization. The Beaver site appears to be the main one addressing this issue. Please show your support there, and give your positive comments.
Thanks for the kind words frank
As the owner of the WW forum and a person with two children that I hope we can leave a proper resourse for them to use, issues like this need to be addressed and on e reason why I leave it on my board.
This isn't a race issue in itself
This also isn't an issue that wil go away on it's own without people actually sitting down and making a soluton ALL sides can live with.
I made another post on someone wanting to boycott Canada because of this
Unfortunately boycotts aren't going to do it either. Wish I had some answers but if I eave it on my board and moreso by discussing here with other users of the waters in question in a miniscule way I may keep the issue in peoples minds and hopefully working for a proper solution.
I would like to see the nets gone completely, but of course that won't happen so my question is where so do we and where do they set the middle ground so we can co - exist and preserve what we have noe |
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| I wish I knew what to do. As US citizens we would and should have very little to do with what the folks in Canada are doing. My intentions are just to make folks aware of what is going on with all the nets that are appearing on the LOTWs.
My hope is that they have folks who care a lot about the resourse and can work out a reasonable comprise for all people involved.
I would guess that any kind of mass demonstration of protest would be counter productive.
This decision starts with the Canadian Surpreme court, and I certainly don't have much pull there.
Doug Johnson |
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Location: DES MOINES, IOWA | It,s a pretty discouraging issue.I had commented on another Site about this issue,because of a conversation I had with one involved in the illegal netting.In fact caught him laying down nets in an area they aren't suppose to be netting.Not a thing I could do about it.Ran into him at Greens that night, and he was bragging about the kind of money he was making doing it.The illiegal netters must have a buyer or they sure wouldn't be doing it.Maybe that,s where the Govt should be targeting.If the Government doesn't crack the whip soon, they are going to kill the LOTW tourist industry in a hurry.The big money is coming from Walleye fisherman, and they are going to be the first to fish elsewhere.I have seen what heavy Commercial fishing will do to a lake.Doug probably remembers what happened to Kabetogama years ago,which had been my grandpa,s favorite Walleye lake until ruined by commercial fishing.Well, hopefully the Govt starts busting these people, but I just don't see it happening. |
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