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Location: oswego, il | I scouted a few lakes up in northern wi during the bright sunny weather you guys had over memorial day weekend and some ramps posted no power loading. Does this mean you cannot drive the boat on the trailer at all? If that is so what do you guys do to get your bigger boats on the trailer?
Edited by ToddM 6/12/2004 2:20 PM
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Location: Chicago, Beverly | I think you can drive it up, just can't punch like we do where we normally launch Todd.. Get it as far as you can then winch it the rest of the way.. Only other alternative I think would be put the trailer in deeper..... were these launches real shallow? |
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Location: Holly, MI | Yes, no power loading means no erosion from propwash. You can power up to the ramp/trailer just don't power it up the trailer.
If you can figure out just how far to have the trailer in the water so the boat is on far enough to be an easy crank but trailer shallow enough to correctly center the boat you make your job easier.
I love loading or unloading the boat in a flash and watching people around me struggling forever. They start before me and I'm fishing while they are still trying to launch the boat. My buddy saw a guy floating his trailer. He kept backing in deeper and deeper and the boat wouldn't budge. He forgot to undo the two straps from the transom to the trailer. |
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Location: The Sportsman, home, or out on the water | Power loading can be a real problem for lakes that have a soft bottom. The lake my folks live on, for example, had a big wash out hole at the end of the ramp. guess where it all ended up? a few more feet out, and came up to within six inches of the surface. So, as you start out, you get good and hung up. Makes sense, although I would rather drive on. |
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Location: syracuse indiana | hey u can buy those slide striipes for the bunks. they make cranking a dream the boat will glide right on ..even when dry. i put some on this year and they have made the loading mutch easier.....bill |
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| Get a decent pair of hip waders, put 'em on while your truck is warming up. Back the trailer in pretty far, walk right into the water, guide the boat in place, and winch her up. |
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Location: Waukesha & Land O Lakes, WI | Yup....No using your motor to push yourself up the trailer. I heard that the DNR has been watching some landings closely for this. I've been praying for a reg like this up by us. The landing is all sand and come mid May, it's so blown out that you cant get a trailer in even enough to get a boat on straight. I've heard of guys having to go to other landings to reload.
I think this should be law on very sand/muck landing up north.
Edited by Gander Mt Guide 6/14/2004 9:43 AM
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| OK, I'll be the first one to offer an opposing view, since nobody else has. I think that it's a typical kneejerk load of crap by the WDNR as usual. Why is it that some lakes have beautiful, cement, nicely tapered boat landings with nice docks and others have a piece of crap for you to attempt to launch at? I fish many lakes where if it weren't for the washout hole you wouldn't be able to float a boat much less launch or retrieve one.
I have a drive on trailer, but I'm not allowed to drive on. I can buy things to make it easier to drive on, but is the DNR going to reimburse me for the cost of making my trailer "boat landing friendly"?
My opinion, I think that the DNR should spend the cash and dredge out some boat landings every year and move around to all of the troubled landings. I run backhoes, so I know that it wouldn't take more than a couple of hours with a hoe and a dump to dredge out a very nice deep landing/launching area at most landings. Some landings are plush while others suck. How about a little of that "spreading it around" instead of putting all the effort where the DNR chooses. I know some lakes where the people that live on the lake don't want a nice landing so they can keep people off of "their" lake.
I'd even be willing to pay to launch my boat all over the state if the DNR would provide decent landings. Use the money collected to keep the boat landings accessible and usable.
You guys sound happy for yourselves, but what about the guys that are thinking..."Well, I guess I won't be fishing that lake anymore because I can't load my boat on my trailer." Personally I can think of half a dozen in northern Wisconsin that I won't be able to use unless I back in my trailer, idle on, get out of the boat, get back in the truck, back in a little, idle up a little more...repeat,repeat,repeat. Some of us that fish alone don't have the luxury of idling on without running the risk of damaging the boat or the trailer or even getting the boat to sit on the trailer properly.
Fix the freakin' landings instead of imposing rules that wouldn't be needed if the landings were kept up instead of being ignored.
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Location: Waukesha & Land O Lakes, WI | Simply put.....if you dont like the rules of the lake.....dont fish it.
Unimproved landings are widespread and with 1300 lakes in Vilas co alone, you expect the DNR to make you nice new paved landings on all of them??? Wont happen. And your willingness to pay launch fees is'nt one that's shared by the majoity
If you think you have a chance to damage your rig...dont launch it.
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Location: Athens, Ohio | Gander Guide, I'm glad you jumped in. I was almost starting to feel sorry for Beav! m |
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Location: Cudahy, Wisconsin | I think what they want to end is when the pleasure boaters sit there at full throtle without the motor up trying to get their boat on the trailor and creating the washout in front of the launch. |
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Location: Rhinelander, WI | If the rule is there respect it. Most of the time all you need to do is back the trailer in a little farther and wench it up. It may take a little more time, but respect the rules as people who don’t are the reason people dislike certain fishermen and then we all get lumped into the same group.
There is one lake around here that only has one private landing at a resort, the resort used to allow the public to use the landing for a fee. They had a no power loading rule, because people failed to follow that rule the landing is now closed to the public.
Also the poor condition of many unimproved landings is a direct result of power loading, and it can cost thousands of dollars to make that landing impervious to power loading problems. Basically you need a concrete pad, many landings are concrete planks and excessive power loading can cause the planks to start dropping into the washout. All non concrete pad landings should be no power loading, it would save the DNR a bunch of money on yearly maintenance. This is coming from a guy who works for a company that gets hired every year to design landing improvements for the DNR. I would love to seem them go to all concrete pads, this would keep us busy for years.
On another front god help you if you ever have to launch a pontoon boat, even a concrete pad launch that gets heavy power loading. Every couple of years as we are launching my in-laws big pontoon we drop the trailer tires off the end of the pad into the abyss created by power loading. It’s real fun getting it back up on the concrete. I have seen this happen with many people and the long trailers used for pontoons. But who cares about those people right.
Nail A Pig!
Mike
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| If you don't like the rules, then don't fish the lake.........that's a real nice attitude. Sounds like something that somebody from a lake association would say. GMG, if you don't like my opinion, that's fine. Don't tell me where I can and can't fish. When was the last time you saw any improvements done at any boat landings up in Vilas County? Maybe over at Kentuck, where you have an awesome launch that you have to pay for.
How do you know what the concensus is on the "pay for a better boat landing" option?
All I know is that you feel all warm and fuzzy about the ruling because it benefits you and the lake or lakes that you fish. Maybe you have a nice light boat that you can land and winch up with no problem. What are the rest of the people who participate in the sport supposed to do? Maybe we should all go buy john boats so we can launch and land to your liking.
You said some guys have to go and use a different landing sometimes. What about the majority of the lakes that only have one landing?
No, I don't expect an improved launch at every freakin' lake. Did I say that?
Hooray for you and screw anybody else that doesn't agree.
Well, at least it will keep the big ski boats off of some lakes.......or don't they have the right to use the public waterways? (Like them or not)
Mikie, don't feel sorry for me. I didn't ask for your pity. In fact, I didn't say anything about you or anybody else. All I did was state my opinion.
Humbly submitted by, Beaver
I hope that my opinion doesn't offend anyone.
I'm Beaver Slivinski, and I OK'd this message
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Location: Waukesha & Land O Lakes, WI | Like I said Beave......If the rules are'nt to you're liking, then go elsewhere. Why should the DNR cater to guys with big rigs who's power loading is ruining launches?? (Everybody who powerloads is contributing to the mess as well).
Who's to say what lakes should be improved? |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | If the launch was built right in the first place, powerloading would have no effect. It's the underimproved or unimproved landings that are the culprits. Some large portion of the money for the landings comes from Federal funds excise tax if I remember correctly, so that might explain things some.
GMG, ANY boat that powers on can wash out a landing, including one with a 25 HP motor. If the landing is to be no-power-load, then in my opinion, it should be dredged deep enough to accomplish that without too much trouble. A shallow, worthless landing is just that, shallow and worthless. Those lakes will be visited by my 1690 some if Sue is with me, and not at all when I am alone.
Access to lakes with poor landings has been an issue up here for a long time. Many times it IS up to a lake association to get a decent landing on the waters they live near. I would rather pay a couple bucks to launch and have a decent place to do so, but that's me. Beav and I have a little problem cranking up a boat onto the trailer from the getgo, which I assure you hasn't a #*^@ thing to do with being 'lazy'. |
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Location: Waukesha & Land O Lakes, WI | Read what I said in parenthesis Worral
It's everybody including big rigs, but it's usually the guys with big boats who are doing the PowerLoading
The problem with fees for better launches is this.....too many guys and guides jump from lake to lake up in Vilas. There's no way fees will pass with vacationers already spending big bucks for places to stay and travel.
I had a Alumacraft TP 175 with a 175 Opti, not once have I ever had a problem launching or loading my rig without power loading at the landings in Vilas, and I'm on Palmer, one of the worse landings up there. I also launched from Hellen Creek off of B and from WhiteSand's launch..I see what guys Power Loading can and are doing.
If you know it's unimproved, know darn well you may have problems launching and landing. Maybe if less guys would power load, we'd have less problems...obviously the DNR thinks so too.
Edited by Gander Mt Guide 6/14/2004 3:23 PM
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Hey GMG, it's WORRALL. The first name is Steve, in case you have missed that somehow.
I see small boats (16' models with 25 to 40 HP motors) powerloading ALL the time. Since power tilt/trim became available on 25HP motors and up, that practice is widespread.
The question is whether any given landing will stand up to it, and if not, what should be done about that. I support better construction at the access on many lakes for a number of reasons, and do not support an attempt to keep maintenence to a minimum on busy landings that are poor. Spend the dollars on improvements, and be done with it. Spending money and time patrolling the landings enforcing a rule designed to save money by reducing work on the same landings is a waste, IMHO.
The fact they are busy indicates the need for an improved launch site. Build the landing right, and the work necessary for up-keep is reduced. If an improved landing is NOT necessary because the lake doesn't get much traffic, so be it.
Mike said his company does work for the DNR improving landings. I am VERY aware that the DNR budget can't support the improvements needed right now, but am also of the opinion there are federal dollors out there that should be used by the state for improvement that are going elsewhere. |
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Location: Waukesha & Land O Lakes, WI | Mr Worrall sir,
There's over 1300 lakes in Vilas alone....they're all busy. If boaters would take the responsibility themselves and "tread lightly" there would'nt be a need for enforcing a rule that should'nt have to be in place!
Drive up the trailer, kill the motor glide up the bunks or rollers until you stop...winch the rest of the way up. Pretty simple stuff that could save the state millions.
Edited by Gander Mt Guide 6/14/2004 3:57 PM
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