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Message Subject: Weedless daredevle/making a spoon weedless
Muskie101
Posted 6/6/2023 7:03 AM (#1021367)
Subject: Weedless daredevle/making a spoon weedless




Posts: 127


Location: Rochester, New York
So there is this spot for bass and i have and can only shore fish however because of the weeds it makes it unfishable for a lot of the pond most of the year until they clear it out if anyone has had success with the weedless daredevle and if it performed as weedless as the johnson silver minnow or some other way to get a daredevle weedless because the Johnson silver minnow the fish did't like and isn't able to get the attention of the fish the way a spoon can because there is no distinctive places for fish to hide or points of interests especially on the weekend when they turn off the fountains?
BillM
Posted 6/6/2023 8:35 AM (#1021371 - in reply to #1021367)
Subject: Re: Weedless daredevle/making a spoon weedless





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Toss a 4in Kalins grub on the back of that Johnson Silver minnow and then tell us the fish don't like it.
chuckski
Posted 6/6/2023 8:41 AM (#1021373 - in reply to #1021367)
Subject: Re: Weedless daredevle/making a spoon weedless




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Weedless Spoons catch fish. My big three.
1. Johnson Silver Minnow (all colors)
2. Rapala
3. Daredevle
Muskie101
Posted 6/6/2023 9:13 AM (#1021375 - in reply to #1021373)
Subject: Re: Weedless daredevle/making a spoon weedless




Posts: 127


Location: Rochester, New York
chuckski - 6/6/2023 9:41 AM

Weedless Spoons catch fish. My big three.
1. Johnson Silver Minnow (all colors)
2. Rapala
3. Daredevle


Daredevle seem to be the only one that work johnson didn't catch anything though both with and without twister tail but did decent with weeds

How well did the weedless daredevle do in terms of not getting weeds

I know in the summer the only thing you can use are frogs until they clear out the weeds in certain parts but the frogs cant attract fish as well as the spoon or get as many bites

BillM - 6/6/2023 9:35 AM

Toss a 4in Kalins grub on the back of that Johnson Silver minnow and then tell us the fish don't like it.


They sadly don’t
Also its one of the few places where the bass dont like senkos
And there is really not to many points of interest that has easy access
ghoti
Posted 6/6/2023 10:39 AM (#1021378 - in reply to #1021367)
Subject: Re: Weedless daredevle/making a spoon weedless




Posts: 1252


Location: Stevens Point, Wi.
Try a weedless Pet spoon.
Muskie101
Posted 6/6/2023 10:52 AM (#1021379 - in reply to #1021378)
Subject: Re: Weedless daredevle/making a spoon weedless




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Location: Rochester, New York
ghoti - 6/6/2023 11:39 AM

Try a weedless Pet spoon.


What size and color

Any tricks for both this and the weedless daredevle work through heavier cover
chuckski
Posted 6/6/2023 11:59 AM (#1021384 - in reply to #1021367)
Subject: Re: Weedless daredevle/making a spoon weedless




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Like grinding a Spinnerbait point your rod tip at our lure. Experiment and practice, I'm good at running both a Depth Raider and Spinnerbait thru the thickest weeds. I can't tell you how many times I've been with people and put on a Depth Raider and I hear "you can't fish that here" As far as a Weedless Spoon I fish then in a stop and go fashion. Throw it out let it settle on the bottom and rip it off, reel a few cranks let it settle then repeat.
Muskie101
Posted 6/6/2023 12:49 PM (#1021386 - in reply to #1021384)
Subject: Re: Weedless daredevle/making a spoon weedless




Posts: 127


Location: Rochester, New York
chuckski - 6/6/2023 12:59 PM

Like grinding a Spinnerbait point your rod tip at our lure. Experiment and practice, I'm good at running both a Depth Raider and Spinnerbait thru the thickest weeds. I can't tell you how many times I've been with people and put on a Depth Raider and I hear "you can't fish that here" As far as a Weedless Spoon I fish then in a stop and go fashion. Throw it out let it settle on the bottom and rip it off, reel a few cranks let it settle then repeat.


Ok how don't you get any weeds found it too weedy for a spinnerbait for me and thats burning it right on the surface
Water is probably about 4-6ft ‘ as far as i can tell
TCESOX
Posted 6/6/2023 6:11 PM (#1021404 - in reply to #1021367)
Subject: Re: Weedless daredevle/making a spoon weedless





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Rapala spoon will go through anything, and you can cast it a country mile. Also, fish like them.
Muskie101
Posted 6/6/2023 7:38 PM (#1021406 - in reply to #1021404)
Subject: Re: Weedless daredevle/making a spoon weedless




Posts: 127


Location: Rochester, New York
TCESOX - 6/6/2023 7:11 PM

Rapala spoon will go through anything, and you can cast it a country mile. Also, fish like them.


Do you mean the rapala pet spoon as well
TCESOX
Posted 6/6/2023 9:40 PM (#1021411 - in reply to #1021406)
Subject: Re: Weedless daredevle/making a spoon weedless





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Muskie101 - 6/6/2023 7:38 PM

TCESOX - 6/6/2023 7:11 PM

Rapala spoon will go through anything, and you can cast it a country mile. Also, fish like them.


Do you mean the rapala pet spoon as well


I mean the Rapala spoons that I haven't seen in stores for a long time now. To be honest, I don't know if they even make them anymore. They are basically a curved bullet with a hook and a very sturdy weed guard. I'll take a picture of one, and try to post it in the next couple days. The last time I tried to post a picture, it showed up as a link, instead of showing in the post, and I'm not sure what I did differently, but I'll try to figure it out.
chuckski
Posted 6/7/2023 9:34 AM (#1021418 - in reply to #1021367)
Subject: Re: Weedless daredevle/making a spoon weedless




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Got three on E-Bay last year!
Muskie101
Posted 6/7/2023 11:00 AM (#1021425 - in reply to #1021418)
Subject: Re: Weedless daredevle/making a spoon weedless




Posts: 127


Location: Rochester, New York
chuckski - 6/7/2023 10:34 AM

Got three on E-Bay last year!


TCESOX - 6/6/2023 10:40 PM

Muskie101 - 6/6/2023 7:38 PM

TCESOX - 6/6/2023 7:11 PM

Rapala spoon will go through anything, and you can cast it a country mile. Also, fish like them.


Do you mean the rapala pet spoon as well


I mean the Rapala spoons that I haven't seen in stores for a long time now. To be honest, I don't know if they even make them anymore. They are basically a curved bullet with a hook and a very sturdy weed guard. I'll take a picture of one, and try to post it in the next couple days. The last time I tried to post a picture, it showed up as a link, instead of showing in the post, and I'm not sure what I did differently, but I'll try to figure it out.
Muskie101
Posted 6/7/2023 11:02 AM (#1021426 - in reply to #1021418)
Subject: Re: Weedless daredevle/making a spoon weedless




Posts: 127


Location: Rochester, New York
chuckski - 6/7/2023 10:34 AM

Got three on E-Bay last year!


TCESOX - 6/6/2023 10:40 PM


TCESOX - 6/6/2023 7:11 PM

Rapala spoon will go through anything, and you can cast it a country mile. Also, fish like them.


Do you mean the rapala pet spoon as well


I mean the Rapala spoons that I haven't seen in stores for a long time now. To be honest, I don't know if they even make them anymore. They are basically a curved bullet with a hook and a very sturdy weed guard. I'll take a picture of one, and try to post it in the next couple days. The last time I tried to post a picture, it showed up as a link, instead of showing in the post, and I'm not sure what I did differently, but I'll try to figure it out.

So did they look like this


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sworrall
Posted 6/7/2023 12:12 PM (#1021430 - in reply to #1021367)
Subject: Re: Weedless daredevle/making a spoon weedless





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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
The spoon was originally intended to be fished erratically ('jump lure'), and the good ones will flutter horizontally when they sink, basically a sophisticated swim jig. A silver minnow with a grub tail can be reeled and hesitated repeatedly over heavy cover, and allowed to drop into pockets all the way to the bottom free spooling if necessary. I've put some giants in the boat on the Goon and on some local lakes that have heavy cover shallow and no deep weeds doing just that.
Muskie101
Posted 6/7/2023 12:14 PM (#1021431 - in reply to #1021430)
Subject: Re: Weedless daredevle/making a spoon weedless




Posts: 127


Location: Rochester, New York
sworrall - 6/7/2023 1:12 PM

The spoon was originally intended to be fished erratically ('jump lure'), and the good ones will flutter horizontally when they sink. A silver minnow with a grub tail can be reeled and hesitated repeatedly over heavy cover, and allowed to drop into pockets all the way to the bottom free spooling if necessary. I've put some giants in the boat on the Goon and on some local lakes that have heavy cover shallow and no deep weeds doing just that.


True but the fish haven’t taken interest in them when i was using them
sworrall
Posted 6/7/2023 3:31 PM (#1021440 - in reply to #1021367)
Subject: Re: Weedless daredevle/making a spoon weedless





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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
Did you have a grub twister on the lure and work it as described? Not just casting out and reeling in.
TCESOX
Posted 6/7/2023 4:57 PM (#1021445 - in reply to #1021426)
Subject: Re: Weedless daredevle/making a spoon weedless





Posts: 1113


Muskie101 - 6/7/2023 11:02 AM

chuckski - 6/7/2023 10:34 AM

Got three on E-Bay last year!


TCESOX - 6/6/2023 10:40 PM


TCESOX - 6/6/2023 7:11 PM

Rapala spoon will go through anything, and you can cast it a country mile. Also, fish like them.


Do you mean the rapala pet spoon as well


I mean the Rapala spoons that I haven't seen in stores for a long time now. To be honest, I don't know if they even make them anymore. They are basically a curved bullet with a hook and a very sturdy weed guard. I'll take a picture of one, and try to post it in the next couple days. The last time I tried to post a picture, it showed up as a link, instead of showing in the post, and I'm not sure what I did differently, but I'll try to figure it out.


So did they look like this

No.
Muskie101
Posted 6/7/2023 8:47 PM (#1021449 - in reply to #1021440)
Subject: Re: Weedless daredevle/making a spoon weedless




Posts: 127


Location: Rochester, New York
sworrall - 6/7/2023 4:31 PM

Did you have a grub twister on the lure and work it as described? Not just casting out and reeling in.


Yes i did



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TCESOX
Posted 6/8/2023 10:14 AM (#1021463 - in reply to #1021367)
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This is the Rapala spoon I was referring to. Hopefully posting works. Usually just use a straight retrieve. Flaps around like crazy, and you can fish it through anything from heavily wooded areas to dense weeks. Even if it picks up a weed, it will shake it of in a couple of cranks. First used it when they first came out, on a pike trip to northern Manitoba. They loved it. Many years later, tried it with muskies, and they like it too.


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Muskie101
Posted 6/8/2023 10:51 AM (#1021464 - in reply to #1021463)
Subject: Re: Weedless daredevle/making a spoon weedless




Posts: 127


Location: Rochester, New York
TCESOX - 6/8/2023 11:14 AM

This is the Rapala spoon I was referring to. Hopefully posting works. Usually just use a straight retrieve. Flaps around like crazy, and you can fish it through anything from heavily wooded areas to dense weeks. Even if it picks up a weed, it will shake it of in a couple of cranks. First used it when they first came out, on a pike trip to northern Manitoba. They loved it. Many years later, tried it with muskies, and they like it too.


Its the rapala rattlin minnow spoon a few available on ebay amazon and a few other sites but what is interesting is rapalas eu site has it but their usa site doesn’t
Ranger
Posted 6/8/2023 10:52 AM (#1021465 - in reply to #1021367)
Subject: Re: Weedless daredevle/making a spoon weedless





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Try a 1/4ounce fire tiger Johnson Spoon with a 2"white Berkly split tail. Fish will think it's a frog.
Muskie101
Posted 6/8/2023 12:05 PM (#1021469 - in reply to #1021465)
Subject: Re: Weedless daredevle/making a spoon weedless




Posts: 127


Location: Rochester, New York
Ranger - 6/8/2023 11:52 AM

Try a 1/4ounce fire tiger Johnson Spoon with a 2"white Berkly split tail. Fish will think it's a frog.


Will try all of these thank you
TCESOX
Posted 6/8/2023 12:31 PM (#1021471 - in reply to #1021464)
Subject: Re: Weedless daredevle/making a spoon weedless





Posts: 1113


Muskie101 - 6/8/2023 10:51 AM

TCESOX - 6/8/2023 11:14 AM

This is the Rapala spoon I was referring to. Hopefully posting works. Usually just use a straight retrieve. Flaps around like crazy, and you can fish it through anything from heavily wooded areas to dense weeks. Even if it picks up a weed, it will shake it of in a couple of cranks. First used it when they first came out, on a pike trip to northern Manitoba. They loved it. Many years later, tried it with muskies, and they like it too.


Its the rapala rattlin minnow spoon a few available on ebay amazon and a few other sites but what is interesting is rapalas eu site has it but their usa site doesn’t


This one doesn't rattle. It's solid.
chuckski
Posted 6/8/2023 1:36 PM (#1021473 - in reply to #1021367)
Subject: Re: Weedless daredevle/making a spoon weedless




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I went on Amazon bought another reg. Spoon but also found a 5" Rapala Spoon that has two trebles and is giant compared to the reg. one and has Rattles. It's on the Amazon sight any of you young computer guys know how to post it here it would be cool for the rest of the users. (never knew such a thing existed) I have the exact Spoon as posted above too.
TCESOX I like your choice in lures.
Muskie101
Posted 6/8/2023 1:39 PM (#1021474 - in reply to #1021473)
Subject: Re: Weedless daredevle/making a spoon weedless




Posts: 127


Location: Rochester, New York
chuckski - 6/8/2023 2:36 PM

I went on Amazon bought another reg. Spoon but also found a 5" Rapala Spoon that has two trebles and is giant compared to the reg. one and has Rattles. It's on the Amazon sight any of you young computer guys know how to post it here it would be cool for the rest of the users. (never knew such a thing existed) I have the exact Spoon as posted above too.
TCESOX I like your choice in lures.


You mean for a photo

Check the box next to Click attach a file after posting
Muskie101
Posted 6/8/2023 1:44 PM (#1021475 - in reply to #1021473)
Subject: Re: Weedless daredevle/making a spoon weedless




Posts: 127


Location: Rochester, New York
chuckski - 6/8/2023 2:36 PM

I went on Amazon bought another reg. Spoon but also found a 5" Rapala Spoon that has two trebles and is giant compared to the reg. one and has Rattles. It's on the Amazon sight any of you young computer guys know how to post it here it would be cool for the rest of the users. (never knew such a thing existed) I have the exact Spoon as posted above too.
TCESOX I like your choice in lures.


You mean for a photo

Check the box next to Click attach a file after posting then afterwards hit submit and it will take you to the page and click chose photo or video or
chuckski
Posted 6/8/2023 1:44 PM (#1021476 - in reply to #1021367)
Subject: Re: Weedless daredevle/making a spoon weedless




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Yes please!
Muskie101
Posted 6/8/2023 1:45 PM (#1021477 - in reply to #1021473)
Subject: Re: Weedless daredevle/making a spoon weedless




Posts: 127


Location: Rochester, New York
chuckski - 6/8/2023 2:36 PM

I went on Amazon bought another reg. Spoon but also found a 5" Rapala Spoon that has two trebles and is giant compared to the reg. one and has Rattles. It's on the Amazon sight any of you young computer guys know how to post it here it would be cool for the rest of the users. (never knew such a thing existed) I have the exact Spoon as posted above too.
TCESOX I like your choice in lures.


You mean for a photo

Check the box next to Click attach a file after posting then afterwards hit submit and it will take you to the page and click photo library or choose file though with the file size limit you might have to use one of the free online file compressors and use that file
Muskie101
Posted 6/8/2023 1:46 PM (#1021478 - in reply to #1021367)
Subject: Re: Weedless daredevle/making a spoon weedless




Posts: 127


Location: Rochester, New York
And just like that my device crashed while sending and uploaded the same post twice
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