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Location: Minnesota. | Took a '49 on a Suick on a favored part of the lake we go to each year but it was certainly a bit rough over the time we were there. A few parties also had some zero fish weeks! It's a far cry from 15-20 yrs ago!!!!
Not kool at all. Most of my fish that I saw weren't in the usual spots save a for a few deeper bars.
Kind'a sux but whatch'a gonna do...She's a beautiful lake that I'll continue to ply with some fav. baits and get a danged workout... |
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| What I don't understand is why there is even a question on whether to stock more fish. I mean the lake is really sliding downhill, but nobody wants to believe it. |
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| The lake has changed and just not the numbers. Forage base and locations have moved and the fish have moved with them. |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | 4amuskie - 8/5/2019 11:27 AM
The lake has changed and just not the numbers. Forage base and locations have moved and the fish have moved with them.
Where did they go? |
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Location: Ashland WI | Kirby Budrow - 8/5/2019 2:27 PM
4amuskie - 8/5/2019 11:27 AM
The lake has changed and just not the numbers. Forage base and locations have moved and the fish have moved with them.
Where did they go?
I fish northern WI. I can tell you they didn't come here. |
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | 14ledo81 - 8/5/2019 2:50 PM
Kirby Budrow - 8/5/2019 2:27 PM
4amuskie - 8/5/2019 11:27 AM
The lake has changed and just not the numbers. Forage base and locations have moved and the fish have moved with them.
Where did they go?
I fish northern WI. I can tell you they didn't come here.
Trout Lake, Crane ? |
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| Kirby Budrow - 8/5/2019 2:27 PM
4amuskie - 8/5/2019 11:27 AM
The lake has changed and just not the numbers. Forage base and locations have moved and the fish have moved with them.
Where did they go?
The only place the could.....problem is, there is an awful lot of water out there to search. |
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| Hey guys, first post here! Heading up to Vermilion the last week of August. We chase a bit of everything on our family trip every year. Is there anywhere reliable to get a water temp report in real time or at least a daily updated posted somewhere? I've done some google-fu without a lot of luck. |
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| OffshoreDrilling - 8/8/2019 2:56 PM
Hey guys, first post here! Heading up to Vermilion the last week of August. We chase a bit of everything on our family trip every year. Is there anywhere reliable to get a water temp report in real time or at least a daily updated posted somewhere? I've done some google-fu without a lot of luck.
That kind of info doesn't exist for Vermilion as far as I know. |
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| Heading to Vermilion Thursday - Sunday, any tips or info I need to know? Sounds like a tough bite. This will be my first time on Vermilion. TIA |
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| When I was there at the end of July most of our action came in the weeds. My son caught a nice 46" fish and I lost a low-mid 40's fish. We saw a few others. |
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Location: Minnesota. | MuskyJimmer - 8/19/2019 8:53 AM
Heading to Vermilion Thursday - Sunday, any tips or info I need to know? Sounds like a tough bite. This will be my first time on Vermilion. TIA
Take a book...or two. I'm serious, - for the time(s) you'll be pooped and need to relax. Maybe a tin of leeches too.
Good luck! |
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| Jeremy - 8/19/2019 6:03 PM
MuskyJimmer - 8/19/2019 8:53 AM
Heading to Vermilion Thursday - Sunday, any tips or info I need to know? Sounds like a tough bite. This will be my first time on Vermilion. TIA
Take a book...or two. I'm serious, - for the time (s ) you'll be pooped and need to relax. Maybe a tin of leeches too.
Good luck!
Thanks, we will be relaxing with walleyes and bass.. then right back to casting! haha its going to be a grind. |
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| Moon Boy - 8/5/2019 8:36 AM
What I don't understand is why there is even a question on whether to stock more fish. I mean the lake is really sliding downhill, but nobody wants to believe it.
I believe the MN plan is / was to create natural self sustaining populations, not stock to fish fisheries. Current fishing success is similar on quite a few of the MN lakes that were stocked in the same time period.
I would suspect we wont see many if any boom years in MN any time soon.
Back to fish of 10K casts good or bad. |
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| RJ_692 - 8/20/2019 11:39 AM
Moon Boy - 8/5/2019 8:36 AM
What I don't understand is why there is even a question on whether to stock more fish. I mean the lake is really sliding downhill, but nobody wants to believe it.
I believe the MN plan is / was to create natural self sustaining populations, not stock to fish fisheries. Current fishing success is similar on quite a few of the MN lakes that were stocked in the same time period.
I would suspect we wont see many if any boom years in MN any time soon.
Back to fish of 10K casts good or bad.
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| Strange, they stock a lot of lakes heavily in MN. There are just a select few that seem to get the short end of the stick. It doesn't make sense. |
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| Several factors at play here, but one is the individual regional fisheries manager. They have a good amount of leeway in the stocking. |
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| Moon Boy - 8/21/2019 6:27 AM
Strange, they stock a lot of lakes heavily in MN. There are just a select few that seem to get the short end of the stick. It doesn't make sense.
What lakes are currently heavily stocked in MN in your opinion? |
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| Pat Hoolihan - 8/21/2019 10:08 AM
Moon Boy - 8/21/2019 6:27 AM
Strange, they stock a lot of lakes heavily in MN. There are just a select few that seem to get the short end of the stick. It doesn't make sense.
What lakes are currently heavily stocked in MN in your opinion?
Ever heard of Detroit Lake???? 3,000 fingerlings into 3,000 acre lake every other year. That is an off the charts level of stocking. Any other questions? |
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| Cfollow - 8/21/2019 10:44 AM
Pat Hoolihan - 8/21/2019 10:08 AM
Moon Boy - 8/21/2019 6:27 AM
Strange, they stock a lot of lakes heavily in MN. There are just a select few that seem to get the short end of the stick. It doesn't make sense.
What lakes are currently heavily stocked in MN in your opinion?
Ever heard of Detroit Lake???? 3,000 fingerlings into 3,000 acre lake every other year. That is an off the charts level of stocking. Any other questions?
Exactly. You oughta know that. |
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| Cfollow - 8/21/2019 10:44 AM
Pat Hoolihan - 8/21/2019 10:08 AM
Moon Boy - 8/21/2019 6:27 AM
Strange, they stock a lot of lakes heavily in MN. There are just a select few that seem to get the short end of the stick. It doesn't make sense.
What lakes are currently heavily stocked in MN in your opinion?
Ever heard of Detroit Lake???? 3,000 fingerlings into 3,000 acre lake every other year. That is an off the charts level of stocking. Any other questions?
Just because it's a heavy level of stocking does not ensure angling success. There's more to the picture than stocking; you both should know that. I'm sure you can figure that out based on your sound reasoning skills and copious amounts of joined experience.
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| Pat Hoolihan - 8/21/2019 11:19 AM
Cfollow - 8/21/2019 10:44 AM
Pat Hoolihan - 8/21/2019 10:08 AM
Moon Boy - 8/21/2019 6:27 AM
Strange, they stock a lot of lakes heavily in MN. There are just a select few that seem to get the short end of the stick. It doesn't make sense.
What lakes are currently heavily stocked in MN in your opinion?
Ever heard of Detroit Lake???? 3,000 fingerlings into 3,000 acre lake every other year. That is an off the charts level of stocking. Any other questions?
Just because it's a heavy level of stocking does not ensure angling success. There's more to the picture than stocking. I'm sure you can figure that out based on your sound reasoning skills.
I'm not sure what you mean by this. You're saying that more stocking does not mean more fish in the lake to catch? I thought we were talking about stocking densities and not other reasons why people can't catch fish. Also, I'm not sure why you are mocking people you don't even know.
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| No, more stocking does not mean a better fishery inherently. I'd consider Detroit to be in its prime from 2000-2008, not now. Same for a lot of lakes that were initially stocked heavy and have gone down hill. Stocking can only take you so far. Theres a reason natural lakes in MN tend to be consistent without huge boom/bust cycles. I'm just returning the favor on things I oughta know, yah know?
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | https://www.facebook.com/OutdoorsFIRST/videos/632674250559876/
Vermilion patterns video with Matt Seifert. Couple big muskies caught recently including a 50. Still a muskie destination, but not near what it was, it's called 'New Reservoir Syndrome'. I argued this years ago that it would be inevitable on Vermilion and Mille Lacs, and pretty much was shouted down on the subject, it's all in that thread a few years back. It's correct the lake will never again be what it was no matter the stocking. It's not just stocking numbers that make that happen. If all the muskie pressure disappeared? That would help if you have 15 years or so.
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| Thanks for the clarification Steve. |
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Location: Contrarian Island | besides ML and V every lake they stock in MN is stocked at a fairly decent ratio per acre.. Plantaganette is another that is about a fish per acre, small lakes like Little Wolf on up to larger lakes get a good # of fish. letting ML and V go from what they were, to the # they put in now is, to me, the worst thing that could happen to all the other lakes in MN ...
DL easy? lol, lots of guys have had their butts handed to them on a silver platter thinking that.. 
heck including me a time or 2 .. lol
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| The problem is that the fish they are stocking today are competing with fish from last year and the year before and so on. The % of them that will get to trophy size is nowhere near the number of fish that grew big in the initial stockings. Those first few year classes had the entire lake to themselves. 12-15 years down the road, the fishing is the best it will ever be. After that, when those first few year classes start dying off, you get a fishery that looks more like... Well, what's "normal" for that lake.
I'm no biologist, but I wonder if reduced stocking numbers is the best way to go about it. Fewer muskies = bigger muskies??
Or maybe the best approach is not stocking the same number of fish every year. The natural lakes have good spawning years and bad spawning years. |
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| I believe the overall philosophy of the DNR, statewide, is to have a low density, trophy fishery. However, as I stated before, each regional supervisor has quite a bit of discretion. Some don't even want to stock at approved levels, and others stock all they can. I think the DNR would like to add more lakes, to spread out the pressure, but politically, that is a heavy lift. Just look at the last round of lakes added. In a few years, those lakes will probably be experiencing the new reservoir syndrome, and then taper off as well. |
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Location: Minnesota. | I wish we/they/someone would come up w/a way to help with the "good" weed population/growth on the V. I know about the rusties and how they took out the growth and now a little is coming back (and, it seems, the rusties are on the decline???) but I'm just here to hope.
Wouldn't that be wonderful?
Then we'd all be bit_chin' about all the fishing pressure. *grins*.... Here's hoping. |
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