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| Larry Ramsell - 12/14/2017 12:46 PM
Kirby: Could absolutely happen in Mille Lacs...in fact did! The MuskieFirst RELEASE world record was caught there 2 years ago and its calculated (new formula) weight was 58 pounds, same as the MDMWRP verified Kept record! Lake Vermilion too has put out fish of giant size. I know of at least one 59 incher and one 60 incher from there...Lots of places it could happen! Combine good genetics with good forage and hang on!
Someone also caught a 58.5 out of vermillion in 2012. All three of these fish were caught before Mn started recognizing a state record muskie by legnth which is currently 56 7/8". The Mn dnr stocks very low numbers into Mille Lacs and Vermillion allowing the muskies to become massive not competing for food. I think the world record will come from a body of water with very low numbers, like a Lake Ontario, Lake Winnie,etc.. |
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Location: Hayward, Wisconsin | EA wrote: "70# probably happens, but that likely would be a big pre-spawn female, which would require fishing out of season to actually catch.
You never know, though. I know a few guys with multiple mid to upper 50" fish who claim to have seen one unlike all the others."
LR: I seriously doubt a 70-pounder exists, even a "big pre-spawn female". However, if that is possible, there ARE places to fish pre-spawn fish "in season"! AND, some of them do contain muskies with the right genetics!
I too have seen "one unlike all the other", but upon careful and serious reflection, she wasn't anywhere near 70-pounds. When you get into that realm of a fish like few have ever seen, it is impossible to estimate just how big they are/were...and BIG EYE syndrome comes into play and in reality, she wasn't really "that" big. Consider that "now", muskie fishing is better than it ever has been; there are far more people fishing muskies than ever before; equipment and (previously unavailable) electronics have made finding fish and structure that holds them easier to find, and STILL, 60-pounders aren't being caught, let alone 70-pounders!!
Horsehunter: I agree with your assessment of the potential giants swimming around in Lake Ontario during season. They will likely never see a muskie anglers lure.
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Location: Chisholm, MN | Tiger222 - 12/15/2017 12:31 AM
Larry Ramsell - 12/14/2017 12:46 PM
Kirby: Could absolutely happen in Mille Lacs...in fact did! The MuskieFirst RELEASE world record was caught there 2 years ago and its calculated (new formula) weight was 58 pounds, same as the MDMWRP verified Kept record! Lake Vermilion too has put out fish of giant size. I know of at least one 59 incher and one 60 incher from there...Lots of places it could happen! Combine good genetics with good forage and hang on!
Someone also caught a 58.5 out of vermillion in 2012. All three of these fish were caught before Mn started recognizing a state record muskie by legnth which is currently 56 7/8". The Mn dnr stocks very low numbers into Mille Lacs and Vermillion allowing the muskies to become massive not competing for food. I think the world record will come from a body of water with very low numbers, like a Lake Ontario, Lake Winnie,etc..
Actually when Vermilion put out a ton of giants the stocking levels were much higher. Those big fish were a product of an awesome stocking program. Now that the DNR has cut stocking levels in half, we see half as many fish caught and even less big fish. The lake is not what it used to be. You can see a difference even just in the last few years. |
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| I truly believe there is no such thing as a 70lb fish. I hope someone will change my mind in the future, but I don't think it's a reality. Look at some of the top guides who fish St. lawrence, Mille lacs, Nipeeing, Ottawa, Georgian bay, Torch, Lac Suel, and etc. These guides have put giant fish in the boat, but who has broken 60lbs on a certified scale? For that matter, how many 50lb fish do they put in the boat every year? Certain guides do put several 50lb fish in their boat. These guides are out there every day on trophy waters. Trophy waters that they know extremely well. I do think there is a 60lb fish swimming, but a 70 is like finding a unicorn. Just an opinion |
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| I suspect there are a few fish in trophy waters capable of hitting 70#; full of eggs after a substantial meal. Needle in the haystack if you will, but our odds of CATCHING that fish are far below the possibility of said fish existing in the first place...
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Location: minocqua, wi. | esoxaddict - 12/17/2017 7:24 PM
I suspect there are a few fish in trophy waters capable of hitting 70#; full of eggs after a substantial meal. Needle in the haystack if you will, but our odds of CATCHING that fish are far below the possibility of said fish existing in the first place...
just checked, lakes are frozen, snow on the ground and talk of 70 pounders ... yup, it's winter |
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Location: oswego, il | Two words, tigercat flowage.....mic drop.
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Location: oconomowoc, wi | ToddM - 12/17/2017 7:29 PM
Two words, tigercat flowage.....mic drop.
looks like four..fore..for  |
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Location: new richmond, wi. & isle, mn | ToddM - 12/17/2017 7:29 PM
Two words, tigercat flowage.....mic drop. Now you let the cat out of the bag..... Meow! |
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Location: oswego, il | fishhawk50 - 12/18/2017 1:43 PM
ToddM - 12/17/2017 7:29 PM
Two words, tigercat flowage.....mic drop.
looks like four..fore..for ; )
Mic drop was techincally a sound effect and not words. |
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| tolle141 - 12/14/2017 7:26 PM
I think quite a few fisheries currently contain or will produce world record fish (LOTW, Vermillion, ML, Green Bay, St Lawrence, Canada, etc). That said, for it to be a WR it has to be caught, so my guess it will be a Leech or Great Lakes strain fish out of MN, GB, LSC, or the St Lawrence. If I had to put my money somewhere, I'd say the St Lawrence.
Now thays funnyy..... names 4 lakes then a country! |
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| Why is open water fishing not that popular for muskies?
The biggest pike here in europe are caught trolling open water on big deep alpine lakes. I caught my biggest pike rowing (no motor allowed) with no electronics at all. You just have to believe that these creatures are out there.
You have to believe that over 300 or 400 feet deep water it is possibble to catch a monster. But dont make the mistake running your lures too deep. Caught many big fish trolling only 3-9ft in very deep water. |
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| I wonder if Lake Superior has potential outside of Duluth Harbor. If muskies would live out there they would grow slow and live a long time which could eventually grow a giant. Eating ciscoes, herring, lake trout, etc. they might in time get huge. |
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Location: Hayward, Wisconsin | Smell_Esox: The answer to your question is definitely yes! Talked to a walleye guide that caught one while fishing "eyes" 8 miles out from Duluth. |
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Location: Green Bay, WI | I would imagine (or like to believe) there are pelagic muskies out in Green Bay as well, following schools of perch...or whitefish...or lake herring. Whatever. I haven't talked to many walleye guys who've caught them out there though, so it would seem that if they are there, the density is so low as to become more of good luck rather than a fish that's actually targetable.
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| I have often wondered about Lake Winnebago. Has huge schools of bait fish, lots of cover. There are a few muskies in the system and I know at least one person who does well in part of the system. When I lived in Fond du Lac, a couple of fishermen I worked with said they were present in the lake but the nut job walleye fishermen hated them and would brag about "gilling" any muskies they caught. I think 'Bago could kick out some giants if the DNR ever stocked it. And threw a couple of the nut job walleye fishermen in jail |
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Location: Smith Creek | Smell_Esox - 12/19/2017 11:15 AM
I wonder if Lake Superior has potential outside of Duluth Harbor. If muskies would live out there they would grow slow and live a long time which could eventually grow a giant. Eating ciscoes, herring, lake trout, etc. they might in time get huge.
Trouble with Superior is that wherever there is bait there is also nets. And the nets don't discriminate. |
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| North of 8 - 12/22/2017 10:51 AM
I have often wondered about Lake Winnebago. Has huge schools of bait fish, lots of cover. There are a few muskies in the system and I know at least one person who does well in part of the system. When I lived in Fond du Lac, a couple of fishermen I worked with said they were present in the lake but the nut job walleye fishermen hated them and would brag about "gilling" any muskies they caught. I think 'Bago could kick out some giants if the DNR ever stocked it. And threw a couple of the nut job walleye fishermen in jail
They do stock it, great lakes strain. |
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| Tiger222 - 12/22/2017 12:57 PM
North of 8 - 12/22/2017 10:51 AM
I have often wondered about Lake Winnebago. Has huge schools of bait fish, lots of cover. There are a few muskies in the system and I know at least one person who does well in part of the system. When I lived in Fond du Lac, a couple of fishermen I worked with said they were present in the lake but the nut job walleye fishermen hated them and would brag about "gilling" any muskies they caught. I think 'Bago could kick out some giants if the DNR ever stocked it. And threw a couple of the nut job walleye fishermen in jail
They do stock it, great lakes strain.
Thanks, I thought they only stocked the upstream lakes, like Poygan. |
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| I checked and the DNR has stocked great lakes strain in the Winnebago "system", e.g., Poygan, Buttes Mort, but not in the big lake itself. |
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| Has there ever been a 70 lber caught nope , is there a 60 to 65 lber swimming around lake Ontario or the St Lawrence river , yes without a doubt , several big girls this year could easily topped 58 lbs with a full belly and one i would guess could have topped 65 lbs with a full stomach and a full egg mass , the task is to get them to bite after they have a full belly , LoL |
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| Maybe this is just wishful thinking but I would like to think that if we can agree that 60 pounders exist, then 70 pounders should be very possible. Isn't a 60 pound fish just one BIG meal away from being a 70 pounder? |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | If it's a 60 pounder it's likely it's because of a big meal.
70 is sort o the Holy Grail. |
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| Do bass guys dream of the 30 pounder? Crappie fishermen looking for a 6 lb , open water beast? Funny bunch we are ?? |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | IAJustin - 12/23/2017 10:24 AM
Do bass guys dream of the 30 pounder? Crappie fishermen looking for a 6 lb , open water beast? Funny bunch we are ??
This. |
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Location: St. Lawrence River | IAJustin - 12/23/2017 11:24 AM
Do bass guys dream of the 30 pounder? Crappie fishermen looking for a 6 lb , open water beast? Funny bunch we are ??
6lb crappies? Show me. Ill sell my musky gear lolol |
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| JakeStCroixSkis - 12/23/2017 2:50 PM
IAJustin - 12/23/2017 11:24 AM
Do bass guys dream of the 30 pounder? Crappie fishermen looking for a 6 lb , open water beast? Funny bunch we are ??
6lb crappies? Show me. Ill sell my musky gear lolol
For a number of years, there was a mounted crappie in a glass box at the Birchwood Bar outside Rhinelander with what was supposed to be a crappie just under 5lbs. It was a very impressive crappie. |
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Location: St. Lawrence River | Wowza |
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| Hi Bill, I fish the St. Lawrence a lot—-But I wasn’t able to this year because my partner had surgery. Do you have any pictures of hogs this year? Wishing you a safe winter. Todd |
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | Where no one else fishes - they spend a lot of time in deep water.
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