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| Is it time for a Muskie stamp in MN to help pay the costs of the Muskie stocking program and to give a better idea of the number of Muskie anglers that fish in MN? |
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| Yes, just add the money raised to walleye stalking in the lakes that are stocked with musky. |
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| Fishysam - 3/24/2016 11:05 AM
Yes, just add the money raised to walleye stalking in the lakes that are stocked with musky.
You mean just like the walleye stamp we already have that doesn't add crap for stocking money?
Just say no to the stupid stamps. Don't need it. Not a funds issue here in MN. More a problem of significant differences in what end users want/expect from our public waters. They are all well and good on paper but throw in the administration costs and they just don't work. |
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| Another option if a number is needed would be similar to what is done in Iowa with the dove season. When you buy a hunting license they just ask you if you want to add dove. It's a yes or no question with no additional charge. I'd imagine if that was put on a MN license with muskies the overwhelming response would be 'yes'. |
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| A few thoughts to consider:
What guarantee is there that once the money for the stamp is sent to the DNR it will be used for Muskies?
What guarantee is there that the DNR won't decide to use the stamp revenue to REPLACE the existing budget as opposed to being an ADDITION to it? What guarantee is there that 5 years from now they won't change on this point?
Part of Stamp program is an implicit trust that the DNR will use the funds appropriately and effectively. Are we sure they will? How will they be held accountable?
Consider, just as an example, that there is a faction of the MN DNR Area Managers who do not believe that stocking is the answer to improving musky fisheries. The person who manages Elk Lake near Itasca is the biggest proponent of this and has tried to make the case that he and his 300 acre lake have "figured it out." Has he? Vermilion hasn't seen a fingerling since 2012.
I for one oppose the stamp. There is not guarantee it will be used to improve what we have, but there is a guarantee that once it is in place they'll keep charging us. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | More $$$ for Gov. Mumbles. Why do people ask to be taxed? Blows my mind. |
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Location: The desert | jonnysled - 3/24/2016 1:54 PM
More $$$ for Gov. Mumbles. Why do people ask to be taxed? Blows my mind.
Lol. So true |
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Location: The desert | dfkiii - 3/24/2016 6:19 PM
Pointerpride102 - 3/24/2016 5:53 PM
jonnysled - 3/24/2016 1:54 PM
More $$$ for Gov. Mumbles. Why do people ask to be taxed? Blows my mind.
Lol. So true
They are the same people who give interest free loans to the government so they can rejoice over an income tax refund.
I'll actually disagree with this. For many, saving is a completely foreign concept. If they had the extra money, they'd spend it. So some use this as a forced savings plan. Sure there are others ways to save, but this way the money is completely inaccessible. |
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Location: Nowheresville, MN | Self tax aside, a stamp would be a bad deal for MN muskie management for a number of reasons which have been discussed on here before. First and foremost, do we really want to know how many (or how FEW) a muskie anglers there are? |
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Location: Lake Country, Wisconsin | This is not a tax issue...
This is a lakefront home owner versus public rights issue |
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Location: Minnesota | I pay enuff taxes on all the fishing gear I buy. If it went to helping muskies I would say yes but it would just be more free money for the state to spend |
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Location: Sawyer County, WI | Pointerpride102 - 3/24/2016 6:43 PM
dfkiii - 3/24/2016 6:19 PM
Pointerpride102 - 3/24/2016 5:53 PM
jonnysled - 3/24/2016 1:54 PM
More $$$ for Gov. Mumbles. Why do people ask to be taxed? Blows my mind.
Lol. So true
They are the same people who give interest free loans to the government so they can rejoice over an income tax refund.
I'll actually disagree with this. For many, saving is a completely foreign concept. If they had the extra money, they'd spend it. So some use this as a forced savings plan. Sure there are others ways to save, but this way the money is completely inaccessible.
If you spend money simply because you have it what happens when that check comes ? A mad dash to the bank to cash it and subsequently spend it.
It isn't a "forced savings plan", it's a delayed spending plan. |
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Location: Ashland WI | dfkiii - 3/24/2016 10:32 PM
Pointerpride102 - 3/24/2016 6:43 PM
dfkiii - 3/24/2016 6:19 PM
Pointerpride102 - 3/24/2016 5:53 PM
jonnysled - 3/24/2016 1:54 PM
More $$$ for Gov. Mumbles. Why do people ask to be taxed? Blows my mind.
Lol. So true
They are the same people who give interest free loans to the government so they can rejoice over an income tax refund.
I'll actually disagree with this. For many, saving is a completely foreign concept. If they had the extra money, they'd spend it. So some use this as a forced savings plan. Sure there are others ways to save, but this way the money is completely inaccessible.
If you spend money simply because you have it what happens when that check comes ? A mad dash to the bank to cash it and subsequently spend it.
It isn't a "forced savings plan", it's a delayed spending plan.
That could be said of all "savings plans". I don't know many who save money to look at it. |
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Location: oswego, il | Did somebody say mandi gras!?!?!? |
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | ToddM - 3/25/2016 6:24 AM
Did somebody say mandi gras!?!?!?
I think they mean't bump board..still exciting, eh?
Duck stamps, trout stamps, pheasant stamps, deer stamps, walleye stamps, bass stamps, its a stamp collectors dream! Collect all, including the coveted US Possessions Midway Islands muskie stamp!! How about Burger King or MacDonalds or Dunkin Donuts or even better a "Buffet" stamp. The last one would also probably take care of the welfare debt we pay in taxes every year.
The government can't give anything away, that they didn't take from someone else. If the MN Muskie stamp was dedicated to muskie related work by the Minnesota DNR to improve habitat or stock or research, how bad would that be?
Have fun!
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Location: Sawyer County, WI | 14ledo81 - 3/25/2016 6:13 AM
dfkiii - 3/24/2016 10:32 PM
Pointerpride102 - 3/24/2016 6:43 PM
dfkiii - 3/24/2016 6:19 PM
Pointerpride102 - 3/24/2016 5:53 PM
jonnysled - 3/24/2016 1:54 PM
More $$$ for Gov. Mumbles. Why do people ask to be taxed? Blows my mind.
Lol. So true
They are the same people who give interest free loans to the government so they can rejoice over an income tax refund.
I'll actually disagree with this. For many, saving is a completely foreign concept. If they had the extra money, they'd spend it. So some use this as a forced savings plan. Sure there are others ways to save, but this way the money is completely inaccessible.
If you spend money simply because you have it what happens when that check comes ? A mad dash to the bank to cash it and subsequently spend it.
It isn't a "forced savings plan", it's a delayed spending plan.
That could be said of all "savings plans". I don't know many who save money to look at it.
They key difference being that if you have the money in hand you can put it to work for you as opposed to giving the government a free loan.
Of course, isn't applicable to those who can't exercise a little self control. |
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| tfootstalker - 3/24/2016 7:06 PM
Brad P - 3/24/2016 12:55 PM Vermilion hasn't seen a fingerling since 2012. (Self Edit)...in other words, factually incorecct.
The Fisheries Lake Survey:
http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/lakefind/showreport.html?downum=69037800
Last stocked Fingerlings were in 2012.
Edited by Brad P 3/25/2016 8:44 AM
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | So an Iowan is telling MN what we need for our muskie program huh???
Brad made most of the points that I would bring up (he listens  )
Is this to be a mandatory or elective stamp? What does the DNR need more money for? I don't ever recall MI NOT donating money for anything the DNR needed to keep the program going. In fact, we've donated money to a lot of things that I view as questionable from a "need" perspective, but if it helps and we have the money then we may as well use it.
Also, the Hugh Becker foundation has allocated over a million dollars to muskie and other youth and environmental programs to date; many of which going directly to DNR agencies.
I don't and never have seen the need for it.
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Location: West Central Wisconsin | Still scratching my head on how this thread turned into a debate about tax returns...
Seems to me if someone truly wants to make a difference, your "stamp" money might be in better hands with a local sports club or maybe even Muskie Inc. Chapter. I can't speak for my friends in MN, but I am a member of a small "fish & game club" in west-central WI and we have been able to accomplish some pretty cool things by raising money and developing relationships local DNR fisheries biologists. We've done fish cribs (where appropriate) for habitat in local lakes and we've self funded trout stocking in local waters. No DNR money involved - they're sometimes more cooperative when it doesn't affect their budget. |
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| Sorry I stepped on anyone's toes with a question. I'm not telling anyone what they need for a muskie program there are plenty of experts and otherwise that can do that. The suggestion was made to show the number of anglers that fish for muskie in MN and not so much as a means to raise money. It doesn't seem to be a very popular idea.
Edited by Pepper 3/31/2016 9:22 AM
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | Pepper, I'm not bent on the topic. We've just hashed it out over and over and over and over in our MI, MMPA, and DNR Workshop groups.
Another negative would be that it's an additional barrier to fishing muskies. Take the trout stamp for instance. I would probably fish them in the local lake by me 1-2x a year, but when I think about it, I also remember that I don't have a stamp so I say screw it and go bass fishing. A lot of the people who fish muskies only fish them a handful of times a year (similar to how I only fish walleyes a few times a year but consider myself a walleye fisherman). By adding additional hurdles to get access I believe it will actually HURT muskie fishing.
A stamp also always leads to the "harvest tag" argument which also further reduces the number of people who would buy the stamp and opens up the conversation to other methods of harvest. The Dark House group has pushed for a muskie stamp for years, and if it's anything I've learned, if they want it then it's probably bad for the muskie fishery. |
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| If there was desire to know the number of muskie fishermen, how about when you buy your fishing license the clerk asks: "Did you target muskellunge last year? Do you plan to fish for muskellunge this year?"
Similar to the migratory bird questions when you buy a duck stamp. |
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| jaultman - 3/31/2016 11:55 AM
If there was desire to know the number of muskie fishermen, how about when you buy your fishing license the clerk asks: "Did you target muskellunge last year? Do you plan to fish for muskellunge this year?"
Similar to the migratory bird questions when you buy a duck stamp. That was my thought, just go with some kind of Harvest Information Program (HIP) certification. We could get a better handle on interest in walleye, musky, perch, panfish, etc. |
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Location: Hastings, mn, 55033 | Pointerpride102 - 3/24/2016 6:43 PM
dfkiii - 3/24/2016 6:19 PM
Pointerpride102 - 3/24/2016 5:53 PM
jonnysled - 3/24/2016 1:54 PM
More $$$ for Gov. Mumbles. Why do people ask to be taxed? Blows my mind.
Lol. So true
They are the same people who give interest free loans to the government so they can rejoice over an income tax refund.
I'll actually disagree with this. For many, saving is a completely foreign concept. If they had the extra money, they'd spend it. So some use this as a forced savings plan. Sure there are others ways to save, but this way the money is completely inaccessible.
But Pointer, those folks could add that money into their savings account each week and earn .07% interest on it!!!
Let's see, I received a $3000 refund this year, or about $60 a week. On one of my savings accounts with around $12k in it I earned a whopping $80ish dollars in interest over the course of the year. So on that $3000 I would have earned at most $20?? Boy did I get ripped off. Instead of having to make sure to deposit that "extra" $ each week I got it back in a nice lump sum but lost out on $20.
Of course there are still people who believe they are better off not paying their house off because they get to deduct their mortgage interest on their taxes! Yes its certainly better to give away 100% of that $ and pay no taxes on it than to keep the money and pay 25%(or whatever rate the bracket your in) of it in taxes, lol. |
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| castmaster - 4/1/2016 10:30 AM
But Pointer, those folks could add that money into their savings account each week and earn .07% interest on it!!!
Let's see, I received a $3000 refund this year, or about $60 a week. On one of my savings accounts with around $12k in it I earned a whopping $80ish dollars in interest over the course of the year. So on that $3000 I would have earned at most $20?? Boy did I get ripped off. Instead of having to make sure to deposit that "extra" $ each week I got it back in a nice lump sum but lost out on $20. You need to find better savings options...I get 2.5% interest on my primary long term savings account. |
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Location: Hastings, mn, 55033 | VonBraun, care to share the name of the bank your getting 2.5% on a savings account? And what the terms are as far as minimum balance that must be carried etc.
Using this savings calculator...
http://www.bankrate.com/calculators/savings/simple-savings-calculat...
it looks like I lost out on $34.26 by not placing my $60 a week overpayment into a savings account with a 2.5% APR. And at the .7% rate my local bank was paying most of last year I lost out on $10.27
Edited by castmaster 4/1/2016 11:26 AM
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| Baxter Credit Union...sadly, it requires being from a certain area around great Chicago or having the right employer...although based on my experience, anyone who wants the account should get a seasonal job with Target long enough to open an account and then you're set.
https://www.bcu.org/About-Us/Membership/Membership-Eligibility |
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Location: Hastings, mn, 55033 | Yeah I kind of figured it was a credit union. I keep most of my savings in our Twin Cities Building Trades Credit Union and get just over 2%. But that $ is harder to get access to on short notice, and I often buy things to resell. So having quick easy access to some of my $ is worth losing a bit on interest.
My main point was people aren't losing some large amount of $ by "giving the government a free loan" and for most its much easier to "save" that lump sum by having the government withhold it than by placing it in the bank each week. As it showed in that savings calculator, even at 2.5% I "lost" $34.26 or about $.65 a week.
And like I also said, it baffles me how many people I talk to that share those views on taxes and refunds but will then argue that its better to NOT pay off a mortgage as soon as possible in order to keep taking advantage of the mortgage interest deduction on their taxes. Now that's a place where you can literally see tens of thousands or more put in your pocket instead of someone else's! |
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| Just an FYI, Vermilion was stocked with over 8300 Muskies in 2015. |
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Location: Sawyer County, WI | castmaster - 4/1/2016 10:30 AM
Pointerpride102 - 3/24/2016 6:43 PM
dfkiii - 3/24/2016 6:19 PM
Pointerpride102 - 3/24/2016 5:53 PM
jonnysled - 3/24/2016 1:54 PM
More $$$ for Gov. Mumbles. Why do people ask to be taxed? Blows my mind.
Lol. So true
They are the same people who give interest free loans to the government so they can rejoice over an income tax refund.
I'll actually disagree with this. For many, saving is a completely foreign concept. If they had the extra money, they'd spend it. So some use this as a forced savings plan. Sure there are others ways to save, but this way the money is completely inaccessible.
But Pointer, those folks could add that money into their savings account each week and earn .07% interest on it!!!
Let's see, I received a $3000 refund this year, or about $60 a week. On one of my savings accounts with around $12k in it I earned a whopping $80ish dollars in interest over the course of the year. So on that $3000 I would have earned at most $20?? Boy did I get ripped off. Instead of having to make sure to deposit that "extra" $ each week I got it back in a nice lump sum but lost out on $20.
Of course there are still people who believe they are better off not paying their house off because they get to deduct their mortgage interest on their taxes! Yes its certainly better to give away 100% of that $ and pay no taxes on it than to keep the money and pay 25% (or whatever rate the bracket your in ) of it in taxes, lol.
Savings accounts are not investments. Hell, you could have blown the entire $3000 on Dadsons and gotten a better return on your money.
Paying off the house is an admirable goal, and can save you tens of thousands in interest payments. It's the right thing to do once you have fully funded your retirement accounts and have enough liquid assets to carry you through an "emergency". Then again, I'm sure you can rely on your savings account and a reverse mortgage for that so no worries. |
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