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Location: Hugo, MN | A few people on this board and on Facebook have claimed that the pin and split ring idea had been done before. When? Where? Duff created that style of lip, and it works incredibly well. In cases like this, the builder is put in a tough spot. A patent would protect his idea from copycats, but would also be very costly. If someone wants to make an EXACT copy of your bait (not saying that is the case with the Pelagic), there's really nothing to stop him. If guys in the bait building community choose to steal another guy's idea, they risk having their baits labeled as "ripoffs". Hopefully, the majority of consumers recognize and appreciate the originator, and continue to buy his baits. As a basement builder myself, I've grown to appreciate original, handmade baits. I wish more guys had that same appreciation. |
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Location: Oconto Falls, WI | knooter - 2/12/2015 6:47 PM
A few people on this board and on Facebook have claimed that the pin and split ring idea had been done before. When? Where? Duff created that style of lip, and it works incredibly well.
I knew I saw it somewhere, and lucky me someone was selling a bait with the lip style in question right here on M1. I cannot find much online with other pics so sorry. Anyway Lunge Lockers are cranks that have a pin-like attachment, and they have been around for quite a while. Yes it is not exact, but the concept is the same. The darn Canadians have some pretty cool baits that we don't see much here in the states!
I am sure there are some to the North of us that have these or others like it. JP Bushy comes to mind that probably has some so maybe he could post a few if he sees this.
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Location: Apollo, PA | Those baits have an adjustable line tie, you can move it to each hole to get desired depth. I do not believe it is anything like a headlock where the pin will spin. Lunge Locker are nice baits, but not the headlock principle.
When your successful in the lure business, your bait will get ripped off, its just the way it is, the list is very long, its ok, but like knooter, I can appreciate the people in the business that do come up with something that we haven't seen a million variations of, that works......
I'm sure Duff saw it coming, he's not dumb. It will all work out. |
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | You haven't made it as a bait builder until you've created something special and someone else has made a copy. Some builders are innovators and some are copiers. Live with it and work to create the next big thing is all you can do. |
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Location: Eastern Ontario | Creek Chub had the Patent on doing scales with netting I think Hedon was the only one that actually paid to use it. |
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Location: Hayward, WI | Ok, said I wasn't going to comment on this but guess I have to retract that statement. The only "copy" issue that everybody is worrying about seems to be the lip design as the body is entirely different.
So, what about all the baits that have the line tie molded into the lip? What about the styles that have a couple loops using the through wire going through the lip like Perchbaits? What about the ones that use an eye screw in the bait for a line tie? Are all those baits copies because they use a similar line tie design? What about baits that use square lips? What about round lips?
Are there similarities between this bait and the headlock? Yeah, sure. Are there similarities between a Jake, Grandma, Slammer, Talonz Claw, Custom X, Big Game, Crane, Shallow Raider, etc.? Yes, I think they all share similarities. Are they also all different? Absolutely.
In another post everybody was worried about the Headlocks chaning to resin, and so worried it would not be the same bait anymore. Still has the same lip, still has the same body shape. To the eye, it is identical to the original. But, everybody was worried that a small change in body material would make it an entirely different bait. Now everybody is worried that an entirely different bait, with only a 'similar' lip design is an out and out copy of another?
We're an interesting buch sometimes. |
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Location: Oconto Falls, WI | curleytail - 2/13/2015 7:04 AM
We're an interesting buch sometimes.
You can say that again! |
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Location: Money, PA | There IS a vintage bait, I don't know what its called or really give a hoot, but I saw two of them on ebay just the other day with a metal lip two hole setting pin style (nail head) looking with the split ring...SO no he did NOT invent that style line tie. It has been done before and either way who cares, its not patented for a reason, just that, its been done...Just like No cranks can get patents... |
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| Y'all should settle this once and for all.  Next year go to Lake Saint Claire, put out a mix of Headlocks and Pelagics painted the same color. See which bait catches more fish. Catching fish is all that matters guys, the rest is a bit clicky and high school-ish. |
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Location: MN | And using a bunch of smiley faces, what is that? |
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Location: oswego, il | Keeping it real......happy! |
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Location: north central wisconsin | I think they should wrastle over it, and I'm not even sure who the they is. If Jello is chosen as the ring media, count me out of the audience if it involves two dudes. |
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| Propster - 2/13/2015 10:16 AM
And using a bunch of smiley faces, what is that? :)
Today was a good day. Can't I be happy?
Now you ruined it. 
Just kidding. 
BTW, saw the Pelagic today. Good looking bait. Didn't spend the $100 though. |
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| They look good to me but not for 100 bucks, plus I dont troll often enough.
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Location: Lake "y" cause lake"x" got over fished | curleytail - 2/13/2015 7:04 AM
Ok, said I wasn't going to comment on this but guess I have to retract that statement. The only "copy" issue that everybody is worrying about seems to be the lip design as the body is entirely different.
So, what about all the baits that have the line tie molded into the lip? What about the styles that have a couple loops using the through wire going through the lip like Perchbaits? What about the ones that use an eye screw in the bait for a line tie? Are all those baits copies because they use a similar line tie design? What about baits that use square lips? What about round lips?
Are there similarities between this bait and the headlock? Yeah, sure. Are there similarities between a Jake, Grandma, Slammer, Talonz Claw, Custom X, Big Game, Crane, Shallow Raider, etc.? Yes, I think they all share similarities. Are they also all different? Absolutely.
In another post everybody was worried about the Headlocks chaning to resin, and so worried it would not be the same bait anymore. Still has the same lip, still has the same body shape. To the eye, it is identical to the original. But, everybody was worried that a small change in body material would make it an entirely different bait. Now everybody is worried that an entirely different bait, with only a 'similar' lip design is an out and out copy of another?
We're an interesting buch sometimes.
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Location: deephaven mn | better paint than i've seen on other Lee Lures, maybe he has another painter involved |
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Location: Cave Run Lake KY. | MstrMusky - 2/13/2015 9:03 PM
Propster - 2/13/2015 10:16 AM
And using a bunch of smiley faces, what is that? :)
Today was a good day. Can't I be happy?
Now you ruined it.
Just kidding.
BTW, saw the Pelagic today. Good looking bait. Didn't spend the $100 though. |
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Location: MN | MstrMusky - 2/13/2015 8:03 PM
Propster - 2/13/2015 10:16 AM
And using a bunch of smiley faces, what is that? :)
Today was a good day. Can't I be happy?
Now you ruined it.
Just kidding.
As was I ! |
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| kap - 2/15/2015 3:34 PM
better paint than i've seen on other Lee Lures, maybe he has another painter involved
Lee is doing all the painting himself and has been the last couple years on all his baits.
Jeff Hanson
madisonmuskyguide.com |
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