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| ...or L-shaped vs. in-line.
OK - this has been on my mind for a while. Watch the muskies shows on TV. Mostly bucktails. Watch the bass shows (hey, better than nothing), mostly spinnerbaits.
More chatter on these forums about bucktails, less about spinner baits.
The Musky Shop Catalog - 3 to 1 at least. Maybe 4 to 1 bucktails over spinnerbaits.
So what gives? Is it more tradition than anything else? Are bucktails a preference, if so why? A spinnerbait is so much more weedless and forgiving when contacting bottom or timber, etc.
Wadda think? Why the popularity of bucktails over spinnerbaits.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Spinnerbaits also are also far louder on the hydrophone because of the blade sort of 'free spiinning' on a swivel, and fish certainly like 'em. Tandems are really loud. I think it's mostly the perception one loses more fish on spinnerbaits than bucktails. I've found the catch ratio to be about the same. |
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| I have both but defiantly like spinner baits in small rivers. Any grinder can be used to cut through any vegetation or simply bounce off the rocks off the bottom. Sometimes I fish close to #*^@s and weeds from the lake get washed into the river and are swirling around in the current grinders will far out shine bucktails in this instance. If the water is pretty clear then i'll snap on a dadson lazer an never look back. |
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| One would think that you'd get better hooksets on a spinnerbait due to all the pressure going to one or two points vs 3-6 on a bucktail |
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| I love both but I catch more on double tens. I am a big believer that a single hook will keep a fish pinned better than a treble hook but I see more fish on bucktails. It is also hard to throw spinnerbaits when your partner is seeing and catching fish on bucktails so it takes discipline to stick with them. |
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Location: oswego, il | Bass love small bucktalis. I have made a few double 6 Colorado bladed baits and they work well. |
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| I've had a lot of follows with spinnerbaits but no takers, but catch a lot of walleye and bass on the fishing for musky. |
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| I think the biggest influence is the search for the "magic bait". With dbl 10's taking the field by storm, and the endless publicity in musky hunter (tv and magazine), the bucktail takes over. I think another aspect is nostalgia and stubbornness to not fish something that our parents or grandparents didn't fish. I'm sure many years ago, before heavy duty hooks and equipment, many fish were lost on spinnerbaits, and that leaves a lasting impression, especially if baits broke on the "fish of a lifetime". |
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Location: indiana | i think area or cover being fished makes my decision. thicker weed cover, reeds, timber, definitely spinnerbait territory. you can plow a grinder or similar bait right through. bucktails are useless in some of those situations. only around the edges of that stuff. |
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Location: Pewaukee, WI | X2 on the Spinner baits! Like these that I make.
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| I don't feel i lose any more fish on spinnerbaits then bucktail, in fact i think my hookup/landing ratio is better with spinnerbaits. |
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Location: NE Ohio | if i'm fishing cover of any kind out come the spinner baits, they are made to run into things and get noticed. open areas and speed fishing out come the in-lines. hookups are equally good IMO.
PSV's SPINNER BAITS RULE!!!!!!!!! |
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Location: 31 | I use to love spinner baits but lost a lot of fish on them, same with jigs… perceived or not, I do not like single hook baits. I thought part of the problem was when you hook the fish in the bony roof of the mouth with a single hook, so I would bend main hook and the trailer so they were off-set, and that helped tremendously… especially with bass.
With that said; I seemed to do better with thinner wire spinner baits versus the heavier bike spoke type. The only problem with thin wire was that it would always break right at the lead head after repeated use… and it was difficult to determine just when that was going to happen. |
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Location: WI | I troll spinnerbaits and have caught my biggest fish on one. Bucktails for casting. For some reason I can't get into casting spinnerbaits. Have had a few different brands of spinnerbaits break on me, always with #10 blades. I think that big blade is too much for them after a while. Been trying to think of a new way to make one more durable, but I'm not smart enough yet.
But they sure catch fish! |
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| I had the exact opposite experience that Jerry had. I had the mindset that single hook spinnerbaits would have a poor hooking percentage. But after using them for a year and enjoying a lot of success, it was exactly the opposite. Single hook spinnerbaits had a much higher hooking percentage in my boat than treble hooks. I'm not sure of the "science" behind any of it, I just know that the fish in my boat stay pinned.
If you have that as a concern, I'd recommend that you just throw the spinnerbaits and see what happens. Don't let that single hook get into your head and keep you from throwing the bait. |
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Location: Hayward, WI | It's pretty simple for me. I use spinnerbaits in heavy cover - they go through stuff better than bucktails. Spinnerbaits have the ability to catch fish in open water too, but they are more likely to roll on the retrieve, and if hooks need to be cut, the bait is toast. Have had a couple of the lighter arm spinnerbaits break on my at the line tie twist or at the head of the bait.
I find spinnerbaits to hook up pretty well.
I use inline bucktails more, but spinnerbaits certainly have a spot in my box, and a lot of times fish very well in situations where almost nothing else can get through clean.
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Location: 31 | I actually lost more fish on the single hook jigs, than the spinner baits back in the day… especially after I started using the offset hook modification. Where I really noticed the percentage difference in losing fish, was transitioning from fishing for small/medium fish, to medium/large fish. I have honestly all but quit using single hooks now, but I think there are many factors in consideration for me, versus what others might be doing.
I use to really like to helicopter a spinner bait, and thought nothing could be better around heavy weeds until I fished with a guy who was using weedless hooks on his bucktails. We started making and experimenting using these customized hooks, and can throw bucktails right on top of thick Lilly pad beds, and matted weeds, maybe 8-9 times out of 10 without fouling. We skim bucktails right on top of Lilly pad beds without the blade turning until the open water edge, sometimes you would see one following under the pads, and then nail it as soon as you would drop it down to get the blade spinning. I can still remember Mark Thorpe's facial expression when he first saw me doing it about 20 years ago on the Ottawa; he kind of scowled (not unusual for MarcJ) and said; “visual fishing” while shaking his head.
The hook pictured is a 5/0 with the wire weed guard attached with conventional rod wrap, and a shrink tube.
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Location: Black Creek, WI | I prefer spinnerbaits when wanting to present my lure at a greater depth. Use a heavy spinnerbait and low lift blade like a willowleaf for SPEED at a greater depth. Most bucktails have too much lift, preventing high speeds down deep. I also like spinnerbaits when fishing in big waves. Helps get your lure below the chaos. I'm not much of a grinder... so when fishing slop or heavy cover I'll usually pick pockets with a bucktail rather than plow through the cover with spinnerbait. Just my preference. Both lures have their pros and cons. Take the time to learn for yourself what they are for YOU. Everyone is different. |
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| Check out the Beast Teaser Stinger, best of both worlds! |
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| In my world single hook spinner baits w/trailer hooks rock. They out fish inlines 5-1 |
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Location: Northern Illinois | This year I'm going to try these Billy Finn bucktails with single hooks. They are like Eagle Tails in that regard, but they are keel weighted (see 2nd picture) and the hooks can be rotated around the shaft to be inline with the weight (on bottom). They are also relatively heavy for a medium size bucktail at 1.85 Oz with a #8 Indiana blade and a length of about 9 inches. I'm going to try to use these in situations closer to when I would normally use a traditional spinnerbait.
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