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Location: minocqua, wi. | Junkman - 2/27/2013 1:00 PM
I am just waiting until my testosterone drops to the appropriate level :-)
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Location: Madison, WI | esoxaddict - 2/27/2013 12:49 PM
ToddM - 2/27/2013 12:40 PM
So it is about keeping people out and lakes to yourselves. Thats settled.
Is that such a bad thing?
yes, yes it is.
you own a small chunk of woods on OUR lake.
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Location: Smith Creek | Why aren't jet skis allowed in BWCA? It would increase opportunities for people to enjoy that neck of the woods.
Why do we have trails in the National Forest that are foot traffic only? If we opened those up to motorized vehicles that would really increase opportunities to use the resource, no?
You know what the DNR tells people who want to ride their ATV's on the cross country skiing trails?
There's thousands of miles of trail available to you. Use that. Leave the skiers alone.
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Location: Racine, Wi | I'd love to row troll for a season. Gotta get a row troller though. Have done it in the past, but that boat is long gone. Loved it as much as regular trolling. I don't think row trolling would be a lost art. It's another form of fishing. If one enjoys it, keep at it. I don't think if they open up trolling state wide, people are going to flock to the counties that didn't have trolling prior to now just to troll.
Kinda like the CCW law in WI. People thought we would have the wild west, and that obviously hasn't happened. I think you'll see the same thing wiht the trolling issue.
****Edited to state I'm not a pro troller though. Matter of fact, I troll the big pond a lot, but cast more around here unless I have the kids out.
*********Dang, edited my edit, as I guess I am pro trolling just not a professional troller 
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Location: minocqua, wi. | grow your hair long, braid it and grab a torch and a spear ... you'll fit right in and nobody will know. |
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| I'd like to see all the pro trollers here man up and row troll for a season if their so for trolling, thats another heritage that would be lost.
Times are changing, maybe everyone should fish without using a graph and gps for a year. I would love to troll for walleye in some N WI lakes and guess what, I wouldn't even keep them, it would just be a fun way to fish for them. |
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Location: oswego, il | I have row trolled, with the right boat its not that bad, good workout. Again its a matter of exclusion not about harm to anything. The bwca was kept the way it is not for a tradition but for a particular experience. That is not the case with trolling. Nobody is marketing any body of wayer as a place no one can motor troll. |
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Location: Oconto Falls, WI | lambeau - 2/27/2013 12:59 PM
I haven't seen much in the way yet of why trolling is needed?
it increases fishing opportunities without harming the resource.
Not true based on what happen the last time trolling was allowed up there. Remember this isn't just a musky issue.
Increase in opportunity...maybe. |
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| lambeau - 2/27/2013 1:06 PM
esoxaddict - 2/27/2013 12:49 PM
ToddM - 2/27/2013 12:40 PM
So it is about keeping people out and lakes to yourselves. Thats settled.
Is that such a bad thing?
yes, yes it is.
you own a small chunk of woods on OUR lake.
Fair enough. But owning that chunk of woods and paying property taxes on it year after year gives me a vested interest in what goes on on that lake. Some would say that it also now entitles me to refer to it as "MY" lake. But since you obviously consider it to me more YOURS than mine, simply because you live 150 miles closer to it than I do, let me ask you a question: At what point DOES it become "my lake", too? Is it after I build a house on it, or put in a pier? Or do I have to wait until we move there and that's where the post office sends my mail? What if we're just there for the summer? Does that count? Or is there always some element of not really having any right to have an opinion about what goes on up there because of where I am originally from? Is there a probationary period, where my opinion doesn't "count" as much as someone from Milwaukee would?
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Location: Oconto Falls, WI | ToddM - 2/27/2013 1:47 PM
I have row trolled, with the right boat its not that bad, good workout. Again its a matter of exclusion not about harm to anything. The bwca was kept the way it is not for a tradition but for a particular experience. That is not the case with trolling. Nobody is marketing any body of wayer as a place no one can motor troll.
Todd it is not exclusion. You have options. If you want to troll you can go somewhere that it is legal. If you don’t want to be bothered by trollers you can go somewhere it is not allowed. This is not a matter of taking away any rights as you currently do not have the rights, or should I say privilege. By not allowing trolling we are not keeping anyone off of the waters as they can still be on that water. Just not trolling. |
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Location: NorthCentral WI | Flambeauski - 2/27/2013 12:59 PM
Trolling is necessary so the average joe can catch fish like Gelb caught, but without all the work.
That's about the only reason I can see aside from being handicapped. And... no. |
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| Living in NE Wisconsin, I am against opening up all bodies of water to trolling. There already are places trolling is legal, why not leave some places alone. |
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Location: oswego, il | Just because someone can troll does not mean they will catch fish. I just dont see how trollers will bother people unless they troll in front and right by you. Casters can do that too. EA, owning property on a body of water does not give you extra say unless you own all the land surrpunding it or part of a club that does. You own a piece of shoreline on a lake we both have the opportunity to fish. |
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Location: Madison, WI |
you own a small chunk of woods on OUR lake.
...But since you obviously consider it to be more YOURS than mine, simply because you live 150 miles closer to it than I do, let me ask you a question: At what point DOES it become "my lake", too?
um, EA? i referred to it as "our" lake. not yours, not mine, ours.
and i understand that it's true you have a vested interest in the health and use of that particular lake. at the same time, it's still public water and not controlled by lakefront landowners. sometimes people get confused and forget that lakefront property is valuable because of the lake; the lake is not valuable because of their property.
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| Who cares what HERBIE says !!!! I don't agree with the trolling thing---but what HERBIE says has no bearing on it. Personally---I hope it gets voted down!!! |
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Location: Roscoe IL | esoxaddict - 2/27/2013 1:53 PM
Fair enough. But owning that chunk of woods and paying property taxes on it year after year gives me a vested interest in what goes on on that lake.
Jeff,
Aren't the lake front property taxes totaly insane!!! We're paying over $1000 a month now, not to mention the increased power and gas bills this year... OUCH!
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Location: Smith Creek | They are "our" lakes, but the DNR sees them as more mine than yours if I live in Vilas. Just like the lakes in the county you live in are more yours than mine. Obviously the public who resides there doesn't want trolling, so go where you can do what you want. If all the muskie fisherman start going to Dane county so they can troll and the tourism in Vilas dries up the public will see the error of their ways and legalize it. |
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Location: Lake Country, Wisconsin | Little pot hole lakes (which are obviously quite common up there) have no business being allowed to use multiple lines per man for trolling....One line? different story perhaps. |
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Location: Oconto Falls, WI | DNR's stance on it.
http://dnr.wi.gov/topic/fishing/questions/trollhist.html
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Location: 31 | lambeau - 2/27/2013 12:59 PM I haven't seen much in the way yet of why trolling is needed? it simplifies regulations and enforcement. it increases fishing opportunities without harming the resource. keep in mind that the DNR supports this change (strongly ), and those reasons are very important from their perspective. x2! And I bet one of the big reasons is the extra cost and confusion involved with the enforcement. In other words, the WDNR expressed their concern of this misallocation of funds.
I personally think the good far outweighs the bad, and that all lakes and rivers should be open to trolling. Do you really think that if they were opened up, there would be some kind of mad rush of trollers? I think not… point of reference; I use to fish some of the smaller lakes in Rusk County (open to trolling), and back then I was almost exclusively a castor… and it was a complete nonissue. |
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Location: 31 | Perfect....
"We have evaluated muskellunge, northern pike, and walleye angling success for anglers casting or still-fishing versus anglers trolling. Based on available creel survey data, we have been unable to identify significant differences in angling success or harvest between the two techniques (i.e, casting versus trolling)." "At these meetings a slight majority of anglers remain opposed to trolling." Sounds like if you want trolling get out and vote?
Why is motor trolling not allowed? First some history of motor trolling in Wisconsin. From 1923, no motor trolling was allowed on inland waters of the state. Five waters were opened for trolling in 1958. During the next few years a few other waters were opened. In 1964, all waters in seven northwestern counties as well as Racine County were opened. In 1970, many waters larger than 500 acres were added, except for muskellunge waters. Motor trolling has been a matter of discussion in Wisconsin for many years. There are differences of opinion regarding the sporting aspects of this angling method and its effect upon fish populations. Many people believe trolling depletes fish populations. In some lakes, motor trolling has increased user conflicts because of the increased acreage used by trollers. The Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources's (DNR) position is that as long as the daily bag and size limits are followed, the method of capture is irrelevant. We have evaluated muskellunge, northern pike, and walleye angling success for anglers casting or still-fishing versus anglers trolling. Based on available creel survey data, we have been unable to identify significant differences in angling success or harvest between the two techniques (i.e, casting versus trolling). DNR has attempted to address the issue of trolling from a biological perspective. We have made several proposals over the years to allow trolling at public hearings held each year in every county of the state on the same night in April. Formal public input on fishing regulations is taken at these public hearings (i.e.,"town hall"" meetings). At these meetings a slight majority of anglers remain opposed to trolling. DNR continues to evaluate trolling and educate anglers on the results of these trolling studies. |
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| " increases fishing opportunities without harming the resource." If thats the case then why do we have a 11/30 close date in the northern zone? Why not be able to ice fish for them like we do pike and walleye all winter? Are they less special or more special that they stay open. Were putting them back anyways? Why not add another 3 months of fishing. I can quickstrick suckers on my Beaver Dams. Why are those regs in place and everybody is fine with that? Or will that be the next item list on the CC ballot? |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | if there are limits and it doesn't matter how they are taken why not add spearing as a means to get your limit?
that would open up more opportunity too ...
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Location: Smith Creek | jonnysled - 2/27/2013 3:50 PM
if there are limits and it doesn't matter how they are taken why not add spearing as a means to get your limit?
that would open up more opportunity too ...
Spearing would be way too much work. Dynamite would be even easier. |
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| Like I said before. Wisconsin is THE most backwards state in the nation and it's not even close. You can't troll Wisconsin's lakes but if you want to you can break out your 250hp motor, throw back a few beers and drive around the lake going 50mph like a total dumbass creating wakes big enough to almost overturn smaller aluminum boats.
It's totally fine if you want to have jet skiers, yahoos, wake boarders tear up the lake all day making it almost impossible to fish. That's fine, but dang those guys who slowly cruise by going 3mph with lines in the water. Those are the guys that pee me off!
Like I said before. The definition of backwards = Wisconsin.
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Location: 31 | jonnysled - 2/27/2013 3:50 PM if there are limits and it doesn't matter how they are taken why not add spearing as a means to get your limit? that would open up more opportunity too ... Seriously you don't get it? I suppose that's why the lakes remain closed to trolling…
The WDNR specifically states; “we have been unable to identify significant differences in angling success or harvest between the two techniques (i.e, casting versus trolling).”
So, they've obviously researched this and determined that there is no discernible difference between the "two" techniques… not the “three” techniques.
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| I dont know what is so hard about just allowing it on the larger lakes that can handle it and leave the smaller lakes alone. If it's legal on Trout or Fence Lake he'll yeah i'll go pull some boards, plenty of room for both. Now if you take a lake like Brandy Lake good luck casting with a couple boats trolling out there!
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| ToothyCritter - 2/27/2013 3:07 PM
esoxaddict - 2/27/2013 1:53 PM
Fair enough. But owning that chunk of woods and paying property taxes on it year after year gives me a vested interest in what goes on on that lake.
Jeff,
Aren't the lake front property taxes totaly insane!!! We're paying over $1000 a month now, not to mention the increased power and gas bills this year... OUCH!
MK
Yeah, Mike, it's a chunk of change! I'm planning on going through a LOT of firewood. It will be easy the first few years, because I've got a lot of land to clear. After that, I'll be the guy driving around with a chainsaw after every storm! "Hey, do you want that tree? Can I have it??"  |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | Guest - 2/27/2013 4:14 PM
Like I said before. Wisconsin is THE most backwards state in the nation and it's not even close. You can't troll Wisconsin's lakes but if you want to you can break out your 250hp motor, throw back a few beers and drive around the lake going 50mph like a total dumbass creating wakes big enough to almost overturn smaller aluminum boats.
It's totally fine if you want to have jet skiers, yahoos, wake boarders tear up the lake all day making it almost impossible to fish. That's fine, but dang those guys who slowly cruise by going 3mph with lines in the water. Those are the guys that pee me off!
Like I said before. The definition of backwards = Wisconsin.
yah, Wisconsin sucks especially Vilas and Oneida Counties ... |
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Location: The Yahara Chain | BenR - 2/26/2013 12:56 PM
If size of lake is the issue, perhaps we need to start limiting the amount of casts you can make in a single day:)
The Homers got a good laugh out of me....along with some nonsense from the other side.
The lake will be fished out by the end of May.
The noise will ruin my northwoods lifestyle.
The craziness of the back trolling days....newsflash....a lot has changed since then. You won't have a pilgrimage of trollers heading up to Vilas/Oneida.
I'm really disappointed in some conservative folks on here who think it is okay for the government to limit my choices when angling. Northern Wisconsin is the only place in that I know of that doesn't allow trolling. It isn't the only state with small lakes.
It is long over due to allow trolling on all Wisconsin waters.
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