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| IMO companies like Musky Tackle Online, Tackle Industries, BigWood, Tyrant Tackle, Storm Lures, etc. Companies and retailers that have made musky fishing afordable and still good tackle!
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Location: Lake Tomahawk, WI | Joe Bucher. Bucher launched Musky Hunter Magazine, and the rest is history.
The late Jake Burns also had quite an impact.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Actually, I believe Dan Laubenstein was responsible for the publication. Joe made it work. |
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Location: Pewaukee WI | MN DNR conducting genetic testing in the 1980's and switching from the Shoepac strain to the Leach Lake Strain. |
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| Musky_Slayer - 6/16/2012 11:45 PM
MN DNR conducting genetic testing in the 1980's and switching from the Shoepac strain to the Leach Lake Strain.
What state is leach lake in? |
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | Lots of great "who" contributors to the sport have been already listed. I don't think the internet is a who, rather an it or what. Two individuals whom have created lots of discussion in the muskie world in the off season, internet, etc. Please remember discussion is good, its healthy for both the muskies and muskie fisherman:
John Dettloff - An interesting guy. Please don't get bent out of shape, if it weren't for John most of the internet expert's out there wouldn't have anything to do in the off season.
Larry Ramsell - Larry has to be the man -> "Over the life of the sport". If you don't know where its been, how can you tell where its going? Larry adds a big dose of reality to the muskie fishing equation of how big can they get? He deserves a big thank you for keeping a pulse on what happened in the past, and what is happening today. If you don't think its true, read 'The Big Picture' in the June/July 2012 issue of Musky Hunter. I believe Larry reaffirms that the truly giant fish some of us have seen are entirely real, not just stretched perceptions of smaller fish. Hopefully, the old record will fall or a new modern day record bar will be set this year. Just, one more cast!
For me #1 is probably Dick Pearson. "Muskies on the Shield" significantly changed how I pursue these fish.
PS. Oh yeah, don't forget the leading edge biological researcher's. They may not have had a significant impact on the overall sport. In fact, the vast majority of muskie fisherman have never heard of them. But if you can understand the fundamental messages in their work, they will change how you think about fish and muskies.
Dr. John New
http://jeb.biologists.org/content/204/6/1207.full.pdf
Dr. Sheryl Coombs.
http://www.bgsu.edu/departments/nmb/page26751.html
If you haven't read their work, you're missing something.
Have fun!
Al
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Location: Ontario, Canada | "Biggest impact". Well, for me, and my answer is based for the most part on the fact that I was only 24-yrs, when the 1974 inaugural issue of In-Fisherman came out, and maybe discovered Fishing Facts magazine a couple of years earlier. There were no cell phones or computers then, and fishing info, (especially muskie info), was difficult to find. So for this inner city guy that had a deep thurst for learning about muskie fishing, and not many opportunities to wet a line for them, the mass media of newspaper fishing articles, books, magazines were my link.
Buck Perry's educational material about structure, Bill Binkelman's Fishing Facts with articals/muskie fishing education by folks like Spence Petros and if memory serves me well Ron Lindner. Also, Al and Ron Lindner's ongoing fishing education about "F+L+P=Success, and I can still hear Ron Lindner in a video talking about muskies "schooling" and calling it "a pride of muskies". Who ever heard of such things till then.
The In-Fisherman's VHS tape video "The Greatest Musky Film Ever Made" was an educationl ice breaker for me, and just amazing to watch. I'm sure it was the first muskie video to ever be released. Joe Bucher, and his "Bucktail Fishing For Muskies book became part of my life.
Yep, my world was expolding with new musky information/education because of all the aforementioned gentlemen. They opened up the great outdoors through the media, and moved my fishing boundries past sunfish and catfish on the city limits, they educated me, inspired me to possibilities and stoked the fires of my imagination.
These gentlemen for me are the pillars on which the foundation of modern fishing is built.
Al
Edited by Allen 6/17/2012 2:43 PM
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| Impact: not sure what Webster says, but human behavior, traditions, political correctness as well as a mindset of covetousness all add in here with the sport of musky fishing. "Seeds" I guess; planted into the mindsets of anlgers that basically effect their overall pursuits/intents out on the water. I think of the movie "Silence of the Lambs" when Hannibal Lector asks the young FBI agent something along the lines of "how is it that we seek out the the things that we covet?"
Answer being; first we must see to believe! That said, major impacts would include (and we're talking big picture, not local hardcore's outside of the public eye that are'nt seeking self glory) the early Hayward, Wi muskies of Louis Spray and Cal Johnson. As well, the Lawton's and the Hartman's from out east. They planted the original seed's of the trophy hunter do one better mindset. From that era, then basically a lull, up to like late seventies, early eighties; Al Linder, Ted Capra, Spence Petros, and Babe Winkleman. In-Fisherman's print/video early 80's (interject Windels, Dick Pearson, Doug Johnson, Dahlberg, Stange, Jim Linder and Pursch) Certianly Bucher, Rizzo, Ray Kennedy, Ellis, a few speared and netted specimens as well that made the attention of the public. Mehsikomer without a doubt, Mania, Larry Ramsell, Herbeck, Craig Dawson, Taylor Roy, Steve Fuller, Ted Roos, Al Moss. Fast forward to more recent years and you've got impact icons and idols such as Mike Lazurus, Rich Clark, Linda Rice, Saric, Bill Sandy, Luke Ronnestrand, Gregg Thomas, Scott Keiper, Jason Hammernick..........................the thing is, big fish, trophy fish are what makes the waves, impacts others and plants the seeds in the long run. Personal influences would include Tom Hanson, Bob Otteson, Len Carlstorm and Tim Gryzbowski.
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| Easily forgot many here.................but one more major player being and would include is definetly Tom Gelb. As well, when speaking of impact's........................the beautiful and artistic idol's that Fittante and Lax taxidermy put out play major as well on impacts on other anglers! |
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Location: Ontario, Canada | As I read through all these excellent comments about who had the biggest impact on the sport, I can't help thinking that we the anglers (in this case muskie anglers), as a whole have maybe had the biggest impact-or at least played a major role.
We picked up the info, that was and is disseminated, and learned how to apply it in our own fishing experiences. We put our personal touch to the information to make ourselves better anglers/sportsmen and spotswomen. We joined clubs like Muskies Inc and Muskies Canada so as we could learn, become involved and have a greater voice as a whole rather than an individual. We each took the concept of catch and release and made it work.
We write our politicians when we feel the environment/fishery needs our voices as a whole, and some of our muskie fishing friends/leaders/innovators even got/get involved in the political process, and they have done this as volunteers.
We can all add more reasons to why we as a whole have had a positive impact. Yes we have had leaders/innovators, but leaders/innovators need followers, and we the followers as a whole have had a great positive impact on modern day fishing/muskie fishing. Just look at all the successful projects that have been done, increased size limit changes, better laws in some cases. We took what all the others mentioned offered us, we ran with it, and at times we anglers as a whole have hit some home runs, and will continue to do so.
Al
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| Hey, Hey.... Hey John Gillespie! He's the fishing man, fishing anytime he can......YEAH! |
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Location: 31 | ESOX Maniac - 6/17/2012 9:01 AM John Dettloff - An interesting guy. Please don't get bent out of shape, if it weren't for John most of the internet expert's out there wouldn't have anything to do in the off season. I guess I didn't consider the title of this thread in that light... that's kind of an interesting thought because I just interpreted it to mean someone having a positive impact on the sport.
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| Hermit -
My hat is off to you for mentioning Tommy Hanson and Bob O.
I only know Bob through our mutual late friend Jack Burns, but I have enormous respect for the man. Content to be just a guy fishing muskies, and he'd probably cringe at his name being in public conversation, but he really was an innovator on trout water. I know Jack respected him a great deal, and that didn't get handed out lightly. Last time I saw him was at a muskie expo a few years back, and we talked about fishing sunfish and deer hunting for 45 minutes. There may not be a kinder soul on two legs.
Tom Hanson - my Lord, if the world only knew... It's not my story to tell, but the whole thread connecting Fuller, Pearson, and Jack Burns that leads through Tom Hanson to Lac Suel is mind-boggling.
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| If not for Gil Hamm, Hugh Becker, Doc Chan, Frank Schneider jr. and the others like Jack Burns that proposed and pressured anglers into letting fish go there would be no need for the rest of those names of celebrity's or makers. Sure they didn't sell many baits but millions have been sold and made from their efforts not to mention a bunch of shows and countless DVD's; if you make a buck off Muskies or if you just love catching a good one and letting her go; you may want to thank those men and women who put a fish first..
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| So many who have touched this sport. Reading all these has been great and all have had an impact to somone or all of us. For me--BUCHER has been the biggest impact for myself. |
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Location: Kansas City BBQ Capitol of the world | For the sport, many who have been recognized. Personally, my Dad and I carry the torch. |
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Location: WESTERN WI | Okay, 3 parts to my answer:,
Who got me into the sport growing up (high school), Bucher/ Spence Petris, I remember tuning in every saturday morning to watch his show and my first fishing magazine subscription was fishing facts and I still have every one of Spences articles from Fishing facts over a ten year period.
Once I got into muskies all the time, Pete Maina, he was a young gun then tea, Lring up skis in northern WI, also Dick Pearson, reading about how he had his wife feed him sandwiches so he couldnt stop casting and sleeping in the boat and waking every few hours to cast a Trophy spot inspired me to fish a lil harder every time I was out and his knowledge is unparrelled.
Nowadays, Larry Dahlberg seems to open up the box of new concepts every year and push the envelope for other species tactics prevaiing for muskies. As far as bait manufacturers gleaming the cube, Brad & Carrie Hoppe and Bulldawgs(Ruh) have really changed the way I fish when targeting trophy fish. |
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| This site, under Steve's guidance, has had by far the most impact for me over the past 10 or so years. I learned soooooo much.
Must give a nod to Rollie from Rollie and Helen's, too. I still have a hard copy of his instructions (from the R&H chat site, remember that?) on how he tunes and uses a Suick.
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Location: Duluth, MN | While all the names listed have had a huge impact the one that has impacted muskie fishing the most imo has to be Louie Spray. |
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| My dad and the greats who have passed through the shop, my uncle, the musky. |
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| Lundbob - 6/29/2012 11:34 AM
While all the names listed have had a huge impact the one that has impacted muskie fishing the most imo has to be Louie Spray.
GMTA! Either that or it's a latent Lund effect. |
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| I would add Paul and Greg Thorne to the list. |
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| Tony Rizzo, Al Linder, Doug Stange, Joe Bucher.
Tony Rizzo's old article in Fishing Facts magazine and his books taught muskie fisherman in the 1970's and 1980's about seasonal patterns for muskies; fishing for suspended fish,, weighting jerkbaits, and night fishing. He was also one of the first to release most of the muskies that he caught.
Al Lindner & Doug Stange and In-Fisherman magazine brought a scientific approach to muskie fishing and exposure to a wider audience. In the pre-internet world muskie nuts were starving for more information, and Joe Bucher's Muskie Hunter magazine put a lot of information.
There have been many exceptional muskie fishermen, but these guys developed new approaches and got the information out to the world. |
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| some one who fishes with with a light drag and that doesnt have it locked up |
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Location: FIB land | Muskyhunter magazine helped put all those images of "the big one" in my brain...
Thanks to Joe, Jim and Steve - best thing to come out of my mailbox... |
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| Very subjective question with many variables depending where you grew up, many of the fisherman named so far are rightfully recieving recongintion/respect and likely became the fisherman they are today due to the lessons and legends of the past. Today many fisherman have the advantage of aggressive fish management strategies and technological advances with electronics and equipment which our pioneers could only dream about. Many fisherman today are reflective of the pace of our society and measure musky success by the size of boat we drive, equipment we own and the numbers we catch, all to often failing to slow down and enjoy the gift of God has given us which is the great northwoods and the good people who enjoy the sport for the experience. Unfortunately today we criticize anglers who hold a fish out of the water to long, keep a fish and enjoy it on the grill and judge others for values and tradition they may never understand or experienced.
Next week we will set camp on a island and motor to the Little Red Bar, hopefully ring the bell, and immiediately be surrounded by the history left by legends and still being created by the generations who will carry on the sport. The atmosphere which can not be replicated at a show or on the internet provides the fisherman a perspective of where the sport once was and how big it has become. Growing up a young lad I was surrounded by several "old salts" who frequented the bars on the Flowage and Pelican Lake and absored lessons I will hold dear forever, not just lessons for fishing but life in general, for me my biggest influences for musky fishing include my Grandfather and Pelican Lake Pal Ortiz and my father who took me along. They introduced me, in story some in person and spirit to the following.
Louie Spray- "if your casting a bait all day long and you dont get nothin you may get sour at everybody and the world and yourself. So change baits often and it will stir up your enthusiasm and keep you from going to shore and making coffee" and "what makes a champion musky fisherman? Well, its like Joe Louus used to say, its mostly luck and of course what makes anybody catch alot of any kind of fish is being out there fishing".
Frenchy LaMay -"musky fishing is probably as different as any kind of fishing that you could get into. Its hard work and you never stop learning. You can go long periods of time without action-even if youve been at it for quite a while-and there can be many days of frustration. I had a bad start, but once one throws a pail of water in your face, it gets to you, It really does.
John Dettloff- controversial, loved and hated, for those who have not met John reserve judgement, a man who intriques me with his passion, knowledge and quirkiness. "its better to know alot about a few spots, than it is to know a little about alot of spots"
Tony Rizzo- "when fishing always look for exceptions to the rules, with muskies there are always exceptions to the rules and thats why at anytime it can happen" "success comes from learning something everytime you are on the water"
Suick Family
In summary it really boils down to are our personal experiences which influenced us and that influence spreads to others around them. I remember my grandfather talking great about Lou Gehrig, when I was a boy it was Ken Griffey Jr. and today my boys talk about Ryan Braun. Legends will change as do the generations I just hope understand the history and take time to pay tribute to our forefathers. |
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| Nice post! I enjoyed it and I agree. |
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| happy hooker - 6/14/2012 1:16 PM
good reading
X2! |
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| Ifishskis - 7/20/2012 10:01 AM
happy hooker - 6/14/2012 1:16 PM
good reading
X2!
For me, back in the early/mid 80's it was Fishing Facts magazine (Petros and ??) and the Linder/In Fisherman shows that grew my love for the pursuit of the musky.
The Little Red Bar at Detloff's place just REEKS of history....LOVE the place! IMO - a visit there should be on one's bucket list. |
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