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Location: Roscoe IL | "Netflix has competitors. Who is going to stock fish, when a state can't afford to produce more due to costs?"
I know that MI Chapters provide funds for stocking. Is it enough, hell no but it's an answer to your question. Just sayin for argument sake, and I know you like to argue PP..  |
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Location: The desert | ToothyCritter - 12/9/2011 2:18 PM
"As far as kids getting into the sport, I'm not a parent, but those of you who are, try this.... Unplug the little b@$tards from the ipod, take the cell phone away, and make them go outside after school like my parents did. Kids are alot more adaptable than us old people, and will find their way to outdoor recreation if given the chance"
Now thats funny ans so true! Ask a 13 year old kid what they want for their birthday, and it's an Ipod or a $140 pair of Air Jordans or a new cell... Mine didn't even mention a new Muskie rod, and that didn't surprise me. My oldest son is turing 13 tomorrow, and the little b@stard is impossible to get off the Playstation when it's cold out. Lots of yelling and I'm the @sshole in the house! I can certainly releate to that comment and agree, and I fight this everyday by spending big bucks on sports fees and driving to Basketball and football practices after work during the week all week, then spending weekends at games. Then there's the team fundraisers every few weeks on top of all that. These kids are the future and it make sense to target them now for growth and development or our fisheries.
Touchy topic when asking hard working folks to spend more, when the income is already stretched so thin for the 99% right..
Good topic!
I don't envy you one bit with a 13 year old haha. So how do we get them off the playstation? |
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| I don't know how the DNR spends their money, so I am only speaking in generalizations.
This discussion can be equated to raising taxes. Rather than raise license prices (taxes) let's focus on ways of improving the DNR and prioritizing how the money is spent. Again, I know absolutely nothing about how the DNR operates or how they spend their money. But just speaking about our country in general, we would be much better off if money was spent where it needed to be spent, and not spent where it doesn't need to be spent.
I just think raising prices sets a dangerous precedent for the future prices of your state, as well as surrounding ones. You might think you're paying a reasonable amount, or less than that, but what about when the same monetary problems are occurring ten years from now and your license has also gone through significant increases? If you go to $50 in the near future will you be willing to go to $75 when that $50 isn't enough?
Here's the bottom line in my book, even if you would be willing to pay more money, regardless of what that additional fee would be, don't advocate for it. The rates will be raised over time. Don't encourage it.
Here's what I think would be a much better idea, and I am sure it has been done in the past - simply collect donations. Get together in clubs, friends, family, whatever and collect your own money and use it for stocking, research, whatever. By doing this, not every person in the state will have to pay for what you do, and since it is essentially your money, you theoretically should be able to spend it in the areas you wish. That eliminates the concern that the extra money you would spend on licenses is not being used in other areas. |
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Location: The desert | ToothyCritter - 12/9/2011 2:22 PM
"Netflix has competitors. Who is going to stock fish, when a state can't afford to produce more due to costs?"
I know that MI Chapters provide funds for stocking. Is it enough, hell no but it's an answer to your question. Just sayin for argument sake, and I know you like to argue PP.. :)
I do, but I think this has been a good topic to discuss.
MI does fund the stocking, which is great. But what happens when the current stocking schedule becomes too expensive and some lakes get cut? What if your favorite lake gets cut? |
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Location: Roscoe IL | Well I'm a traditional guy so yelling at the top of my lungs seems to work pretty well. LOL!
Then offer A ball and a court as a replacement.. Sitting at the bar with Dad so he can flirt with a cute bartender is NOT an option. Just ask Mom! |
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Location: The desert | Guest - 12/9/2011 2:25 PM
I don't know how the DNR spends their money, so I am only speaking in generalizations.
This discussion can be equated to raising taxes. Rather than raise license prices (taxes) let's focus on ways of improving the DNR and prioritizing how the money is spent. Again, I know absolutely nothing about how the DNR operates or how they spend their money. But just speaking about our country in general, we would be much better off if money was spent where it needed to be spent, and not spent where it doesn't need to be spent.
I just think raising prices sets a dangerous precedent for the future prices of your state, as well as surrounding ones. You might think you're paying a reasonable amount, or less than that, but what about when the same monetary problems are occurring ten years from now and your license has also gone through significant increases? If you go to $50 in the near future will you be willing to go to $75 when that $50 isn't enough?
Here's the bottom line in my book, even if you would be willing to pay more money, regardless of what that additional fee would be, don't advocate for it. The rates will be raised over time. Don't encourage it.
Here's what I think would be a much better idea, and I am sure it has been done in the past - simply collect donations. Get together in clubs, friends, family, whatever and collect your own money and use it for stocking, research, whatever. By doing this, not every person in the state will have to pay for what you do, and since it is essentially your money, you theoretically should be able to spend it in the areas you wish. That eliminates the concern that the extra money you would spend on licenses is not being used in other areas.
So in other words you don't have a clue where your license dollars go? Don't you think it might be worthwhile to find out? Might change your mind or might not. But if we are asking the DNR to make better, more educated decisions about how many is spent shouldn't we hold ourselves to similar standards? |
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Location: The desert | ToothyCritter - 12/9/2011 2:29 PM
Well I'm a traditional guy so yelling at the top of my lungs seems to work pretty well. LOL!
Then offer A ball and a court as a replacement.. Sitting at the bar with Dad so he can flirt with a cute bartender is NOT an option. Just ask Mom!
Mom doesn't need to know everything?
This site led a takemefishing.org pledge, I wonder how many signed up and actually did it? Do musky clubs offer kids outings? Does the DNR in MN or WI have kids fishing days? |
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Location: Roscoe IL | Stocking expensive... Talk about an increase, I got educated on this not too long ago and I was shocked to hear what it cost to stock Muskies now. I still think there is a way to get the younger generation more involved, but you can't hit them in the pocketbook or you lose your help. |
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Location: Roscoe IL | "Do musky clubs offer kids outings?"
Some do, but I only have insight to our local club. But the visibility to this event is way too limited! |
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| Out MI Chapter does several kids outings a year. Hayward last year, LOTW this year. There's a Boy Sout event, and a kids fishing derby every summer. I think for anybody who fishes and has kids, it's pretty much automatic that the kids are going to be exposed to it. It's the kids who don't have that in the family who are the ones we need to reach. |
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Location: The desert | esoxaddict - 12/9/2011 3:00 PM
Out MI Chapter does several kids outings a year. Hayward last year, LOTW this year. There's a Boy Sout event, and a kids fishing derby every summer. I think for anybody who fishes and has kids, it's pretty much automatic that the kids are going to be exposed to it. It's the kids who don't have that in the family who are the ones we need to reach.
This was what I was getting at. Here in Utah we host several of these events, give away rods, reels, tackle boxes to every kid that comes. We stock the urban fishery prior to the event so the action is fast and furious. The forest service is usually involved as well. All the bait is free, we even help clean the fish for the kids. Does WI or MN offer something similar? |
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Location: The desert | guest - 12/9/2011 3:11 PM
YAWWWWWNNNNNNN......
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| My kids are grown up now but since the oldest was about 10 they have always reached into there xmas stocking and pulled out rapalas, ice flies or some other form of outdoor stuff. My youngest is now 20 yrs old and they still get tackle box filler, like it or not |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | Shimano sponsors a well-attended father's day weekend event here ... really impressive what they do. |
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Location: Bemidji, MN | Pointerpride102 - 12/9/2011 3:36 PM
ToothyCritter - 12/9/2011 2:29 PM
Well I'm a traditional guy so yelling at the top of my lungs seems to work pretty well. LOL!
Then offer A ball and a court as a replacement.. Sitting at the bar with Dad so he can flirt with a cute bartender is NOT an option. Just ask Mom!
Mom doesn't need to know everything?
This site led a takemefishing.org pledge, I wonder how many signed up and actually did it? Do musky clubs offer kids outings? Does the DNR in MN or WI have kids fishing days?
Actually, yes, here in MN there is at least one designated Take a kid Fishing day every year when A parent doesn't need to have a license if fishing with a child.It is severely under-advertised, and one day a year doesn't get most kids all that excited about fishing as a life-long activity, but it's a start. We tried to have family fishing seminars and outings in our muskies inc club. The problem is not lack of interest from the community, It is getting volunteers to help out with it.
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| No....I wouldn't support it pointer.
this country needs to get it's head out of it's rump, pronto.
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| Pointerpride102 - 12/9/2011 3:33 PM
Guest - 12/9/2011 2:25 PM
I don't know how the DNR spends their money, so I am only speaking in generalizations.
This discussion can be equated to raising taxes. Rather than raise license prices (taxes) let's focus on ways of improving the DNR and prioritizing how the money is spent. Again, I know absolutely nothing about how the DNR operates or how they spend their money. But just speaking about our country in general, we would be much better off if money was spent where it needed to be spent, and not spent where it doesn't need to be spent.
I just think raising prices sets a dangerous precedent for the future prices of your state, as well as surrounding ones. You might think you're paying a reasonable amount, or less than that, but what about when the same monetary problems are occurring ten years from now and your license has also gone through significant increases? If you go to $50 in the near future will you be willing to go to $75 when that $50 isn't enough?
Here's the bottom line in my book, even if you would be willing to pay more money, regardless of what that additional fee would be, don't advocate for it. The rates will be raised over time. Don't encourage it.
Here's what I think would be a much better idea, and I am sure it has been done in the past - simply collect donations. Get together in clubs, friends, family, whatever and collect your own money and use it for stocking, research, whatever. By doing this, not every person in the state will have to pay for what you do, and since it is essentially your money, you theoretically should be able to spend it in the areas you wish. That eliminates the concern that the extra money you would spend on licenses is not being used in other areas.
So in other words you don't have a clue where your license dollars go? Don't you think it might be worthwhile to find out? Might change your mind or might not. But if we are asking the DNR to make better, more educated decisions about how many is spent shouldn't we hold ourselves to similar standards?
I'm not from MN or WI. I'm just giving my generic opinion about raising licenses regardless of which state it's in. Regarding the latter half of your arguement, perhaps. I don't think it would be wise to give more money if the money they are currently receiving isn't being used appropriately. Like I said, I have no idea how good or how bad of a job the DNR is doing in either state. That would just be my first approach. |
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Location: chisago city,mn. | POINTERPRIDE102,I don't know what your job is I'am kind of guessing.But I can see where some peoples tax dollars went today?That is if you were working. |
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Location: The desert | greenejeans - 12/9/2011 5:36 PM
POINTERPRIDE102,I don't know what your job is I'am kind of guessing.But I can see where some peoples tax dollars went today?That is if you were working.
Good thing I wasn't working. I already had 87 hours in by Thursday afternoon. |
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Location: The desert | Guest - 12/9/2011 5:29 PM
Pointerpride102 - 12/9/2011 3:33 PM
Guest - 12/9/2011 2:25 PM
I don't know how the DNR spends their money, so I am only speaking in generalizations.
This discussion can be equated to raising taxes. Rather than raise license prices (taxes) let's focus on ways of improving the DNR and prioritizing how the money is spent. Again, I know absolutely nothing about how the DNR operates or how they spend their money. But just speaking about our country in general, we would be much better off if money was spent where it needed to be spent, and not spent where it doesn't need to be spent.
I just think raising prices sets a dangerous precedent for the future prices of your state, as well as surrounding ones. You might think you're paying a reasonable amount, or less than that, but what about when the same monetary problems are occurring ten years from now and your license has also gone through significant increases? If you go to $50 in the near future will you be willing to go to $75 when that $50 isn't enough?
Here's the bottom line in my book, even if you would be willing to pay more money, regardless of what that additional fee would be, don't advocate for it. The rates will be raised over time. Don't encourage it.
Here's what I think would be a much better idea, and I am sure it has been done in the past - simply collect donations. Get together in clubs, friends, family, whatever and collect your own money and use it for stocking, research, whatever. By doing this, not every person in the state will have to pay for what you do, and since it is essentially your money, you theoretically should be able to spend it in the areas you wish. That eliminates the concern that the extra money you would spend on licenses is not being used in other areas.
So in other words you don't have a clue where your license dollars go? Don't you think it might be worthwhile to find out? Might change your mind or might not. But if we are asking the DNR to make better, more educated decisions about how many is spent shouldn't we hold ourselves to similar standards?
I'm not from MN or WI. I'm just giving my generic opinion about raising licenses regardless of which state it's in. Regarding the latter half of your arguement, perhaps. I don't think it would be wise to give more money if the money they are currently receiving isn't being used appropriately. Like I said, I have no idea how good or how bad of a job the DNR is doing in either state. That would just be my first approach.
So how do you know if the money isn't being use appropriately if you don't have a clue where the money is going, nor have you bothered to try and find out? Interesting that you have already formed an opinion on something you know absolutely nothing about. |
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| Pointerpride102 - 12/9/2011 7:06 PM
Guest - 12/9/2011 5:29 PM
Pointerpride102 - 12/9/2011 3:33 PM
Guest - 12/9/2011 2:25 PM
I don't know how the DNR spends their money, so I am only speaking in generalizations.
This discussion can be equated to raising taxes. Rather than raise license prices (taxes) let's focus on ways of improving the DNR and prioritizing how the money is spent. Again, I know absolutely nothing about how the DNR operates or how they spend their money. But just speaking about our country in general, we would be much better off if money was spent where it needed to be spent, and not spent where it doesn't need to be spent.
I just think raising prices sets a dangerous precedent for the future prices of your state, as well as surrounding ones. You might think you're paying a reasonable amount, or less than that, but what about when the same monetary problems are occurring ten years from now and your license has also gone through significant increases? If you go to $50 in the near future will you be willing to go to $75 when that $50 isn't enough?
Here's the bottom line in my book, even if you would be willing to pay more money, regardless of what that additional fee would be, don't advocate for it. The rates will be raised over time. Don't encourage it.
Here's what I think would be a much better idea, and I am sure it has been done in the past - simply collect donations. Get together in clubs, friends, family, whatever and collect your own money and use it for stocking, research, whatever. By doing this, not every person in the state will have to pay for what you do, and since it is essentially your money, you theoretically should be able to spend it in the areas you wish. That eliminates the concern that the extra money you would spend on licenses is not being used in other areas.
So in other words you don't have a clue where your license dollars go? Don't you think it might be worthwhile to find out? Might change your mind or might not. But if we are asking the DNR to make better, more educated decisions about how many is spent shouldn't we hold ourselves to similar standards?
I'm not from MN or WI. I'm just giving my generic opinion about raising licenses regardless of which state it's in. Regarding the latter half of your arguement, perhaps. I don't think it would be wise to give more money if the money they are currently receiving isn't being used appropriately. Like I said, I have no idea how good or how bad of a job the DNR is doing in either state. That would just be my first approach.
So how do you know if the money isn't being use appropriately if you don't have a clue where the money is going, nor have you bothered to try and find out? Interesting that you have already formed an opinion on something you know absolutely nothing about.
I'm not saying the money is or isn't being used appropriately. I just think it's important to determine what it's being spent on before raising prices. If the money is being spent properly then perhaps the appropriate thing to do is spend more for licenses. I wouldn't be in favor of that as I feel people are paying "enough". However, if the money isn't being used properly then what good is paying more for a license? If license money is going towards non-fishing/boating related funds, being spent on items that aren't necessary, et cetera, then giving more money for licenses only hurts anglers. It takes more money out of our pockets without providing a positive result.
This is why I would feel it would be better to implement private donations for research, stocking, anything. With private money (not state money) you can spend it at your discretion. |
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Location: The desert | Guest - 12/9/2011 6:19 PM
Pointerpride102 - 12/9/2011 7:06 PM
Guest - 12/9/2011 5:29 PM
Pointerpride102 - 12/9/2011 3:33 PM
Guest - 12/9/2011 2:25 PM
I don't know how the DNR spends their money, so I am only speaking in generalizations.
This discussion can be equated to raising taxes. Rather than raise license prices (taxes) let's focus on ways of improving the DNR and prioritizing how the money is spent. Again, I know absolutely nothing about how the DNR operates or how they spend their money. But just speaking about our country in general, we would be much better off if money was spent where it needed to be spent, and not spent where it doesn't need to be spent.
I just think raising prices sets a dangerous precedent for the future prices of your state, as well as surrounding ones. You might think you're paying a reasonable amount, or less than that, but what about when the same monetary problems are occurring ten years from now and your license has also gone through significant increases? If you go to $50 in the near future will you be willing to go to $75 when that $50 isn't enough?
Here's the bottom line in my book, even if you would be willing to pay more money, regardless of what that additional fee would be, don't advocate for it. The rates will be raised over time. Don't encourage it.
Here's what I think would be a much better idea, and I am sure it has been done in the past - simply collect donations. Get together in clubs, friends, family, whatever and collect your own money and use it for stocking, research, whatever. By doing this, not every person in the state will have to pay for what you do, and since it is essentially your money, you theoretically should be able to spend it in the areas you wish. That eliminates the concern that the extra money you would spend on licenses is not being used in other areas.
So in other words you don't have a clue where your license dollars go? Don't you think it might be worthwhile to find out? Might change your mind or might not. But if we are asking the DNR to make better, more educated decisions about how many is spent shouldn't we hold ourselves to similar standards?
I'm not from MN or WI. I'm just giving my generic opinion about raising licenses regardless of which state it's in. Regarding the latter half of your arguement, perhaps. I don't think it would be wise to give more money if the money they are currently receiving isn't being used appropriately. Like I said, I have no idea how good or how bad of a job the DNR is doing in either state. That would just be my first approach.
So how do you know if the money isn't being use appropriately if you don't have a clue where the money is going, nor have you bothered to try and find out? Interesting that you have already formed an opinion on something you know absolutely nothing about.
I'm not saying the money is or isn't being used appropriately. I just think it's important to determine what it's being spent on before raising prices. If the money is being spent properly then perhaps the appropriate thing to do is spend more for licenses. I wouldn't be in favor of that as I feel people are paying "enough". However, if the money isn't being used properly then what good is paying more for a license? If license money is going towards non-fishing/boating related funds, being spent on items that aren't necessary, et cetera, then giving more money for licenses only hurts anglers. It takes more money out of our pockets without providing a positive result.
This is why I would feel it would be better to implement private donations for research, stocking, anything. With private money (not state money ) you can spend it at your discretion.
Why don't you look into where your fishing license dollars go to? I agree with some of what you wrote.
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| I would without hesitation pay what ever (within reason) was required to be able to continue to enjoy what many can not! look at inflation and then compare that to our current fees and expectations. I would love to see a Musky Stamp!
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| Sorry NOFEAR.
That doesn't work under a redistribution regime. Your tax dollars go where they want them to go. Period.
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Location: minocqua, wi. | Word - 12/10/2011 10:08 AM
Sorry NOFEAR.
That doesn't work under a redistribution regime. Your tax dollars go where they want them to go. Period.
No license increase from me unitl things "change."
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Location: The desert | Word - 12/10/2011 9:08 AM
Sorry NOFEAR.
That doesn't work under a redistribution regime. Your tax dollars go where they want them to go. Period.
No license increase from me unitl things "change."
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| I would support the increase for MN or WI as that is where I do my fishing. If the $$$ goes to help maintain the fishery , then I would certainly pay more to enjoy my favorite summer activity. Maybe as I get older it's a little easier for me to approve of such increases as I seek as much enjoyment as I can get in my favorite things to do. If the $$$ is well spent then I would have no problem paying for it. JIMooduchw Inuit |
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