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Location: Forest Lake, Mn. | Does anybody have any valid numbers on how much money muskie fishing brings to the State Economy and Tourism? That kind of information makes Senators and Representatives take notice. Money talks and if we can show how much money muskies bring to the state coffers we've won the war. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | you mean the group that sleeps in their trucks and lives on sandwiches they pack for the week? |
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| My fishing crew has spent 500$ at zorbaz on pelican lake using there big dock. Driving from ND burns fuel. Lodging. Can't account for an amount spent there. |
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Location: Forest Lake, Mn. | @Johnnysled. Yes, I mean the economic impact that muskie fishing brings from guys that sleep in their trucks and pack sandwiches. They still pay sales tax on gas for their trucks and boats, sales tax on bread, mayo, and ham too. Sure, that's small potatoes but it all adds up when you factor in how many guys fish muskies and spend money on fishing muskies; lures, boats, gas, lodging, licenses, food, trailers, tires, booze, it all adds up to big money spent by muskie fishermen every year. This also creates jobs which also pays taxes.
If we can get any kind of numbers on the economic impact of muskie fishing I think we can kill the efforts of the no more muskie people.
Fishysam spent $500 on Pelican Lake. That's a start. |
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Location: Forest Lake, Mn. | The Economics
A 2006 U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service report stated that recreational fishing in the United States generated $82 billion in sales, $24 billion in income, and supported 534,000 jobs.
While exact revenue amounts based on muskie fishing alone is somewhat elusive, the sport is commonly believed to have a very positive economic impact where healthy muskellunge populations exist.
Well-known boundary waters such as Lake St. Clair, the St. Lawrence River, and Lake of the Woods draw large numbers of muskie fishermen every year. Properly managed and protected areas of Minnesota such as Lake Vermillion, Lake Bemidji, and Cass Lake, as well as recent attempts to restore historical populations of the Great Lakes strain of muskellunge in Green Bay have become huge fishing success stories. Successful propagation of the resource in order to boost tourism can be found as far south as Kentucky and Tennessee, as far east as New Jersey, and as far west as Washington State. Muskie anglers commonly spend money on lodging, food and drink, vehicle fuels and additives, boat, trailer, and truck maintenance, state campground, access and launch fees, and more.
In Indiana, native muskies nearly disappeared by the 1960s. Today, with excellent propagation and management, yet with only ten lakes containing the species, Indiana has become a prime muskie destination (Jordan 2008). An Indiana Department of Natural Resources report has stated “Assuming muskie anglers spend $50 per trip (American Sportfishing Association), the economic value of muskie fishing at Loon Lake was estimated to be $29,917 in 2004. The commercial value of 1,100 fingerlings (10-in) stocked each year is estimated to be $7,700 for a benefit:cost ratio of 4:1” (Pearson 2005). At Lake Webster, Indiana, muskie anglers spent an estimated $339,147, “representing 76% of the entire program since its inception and worth more than 10 times the annual cost of stocking ($30,960)” (Pearson 2005). In Minnesota muskies have been aggressively managed as a trophy fishery. A 2005 study was performed within the state showed that muskie anglers spent an average of 45 days on the water compared to just 21 days for non-muskie anglers. The study also reported that 33 percent of the members of Muskie, Inc. (the prominent muskellunge sport fishing based organization) spend $2,000 to $4,999 on fishing expenses every year compared to only 8.6 percent of non-muskie anglers who spent monies in that range (Schroeder and Fulton 2005).
The economic impact of muskie fishing in Wisconsin is significant. In 2006, an estimated 1.4 million anglers spent $1.8 billion dollars directly on fishing within the state (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Association 2006). It is estimated that 25% of anglers who fish Wisconsin specifically target muskies (Simonson 2008). That equates to $425 million dollars spent on fishing for muskies in Wisconsin in 2006 alone. Tim Simonson, fisheries biologist for the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources, believes that a 50” fish could be worth in upwards of $35,850 dollars per surviving stocked fish, and take up to18 years for a fish to reach that size (Simonson 2008).
The Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources has listed 794 bodies of water within the state as containing known populations of muskellunge. In comparison to Wisconsin, Minnesota is listed as having only 111 bodies of water that contain muskie. Ironically, the previously mentioned U.S. Fish and Wildlife report states that the same amount of anglers who fished Wisconsin (1.4 million) spent an estimated $2.8 billion dollars in Minnesota – a difference of $1.1 billion. Using the same 25% of total anglers as those who target muskies, it can be assumed that $700 million was spent on muskie fishing in Minnesota in 2006 ($275 million more than Wisconsin with roughly 1/8 of the water). This analogy begs the question – Why? The answer is quite simple. The state of Minnesota, with the help of Muskies, Inc., localized clubs, and countless numbers of individuals who had a collective vision, have made the state’s muskellunge waters a more desirable place to fish. Minnesota has a more proactive management strategy that included raising the minimum size limit to 48 inches. Minnesota fish reach sexual maturity and beyond (required for natural recruitment) and maximum size potential desired by fishermen.
It would only be fair to state at this point that mature fish are what the vast majority of muskie anglers target, and they will spend many hours, fruitless days, and vast amounts of money in their pursuit. In retrospect, it has become obvious that fishermen from other states, including Wisconsin, where the muskellunge is the state fish, are leaving other muskie lakes closer to home to travel to Minnesota, remote areas of Canada with “no kill” regulations, or more specific places like Lake Webster to pursue muskies. In the case of Minnesota and Indiana, it is clearly the result of the states’ direction in muskellunge management.
worldmuskiealliance.com/static/doc/ProtectAndMaintain.doc
I DON'T HAVE A COMPUTER PRINTER. COULD SOMEONE PRINT THAT OUT AND BRING IT TO THE MEETING?
Other interesting links:
http://dnr.wi.gov/topic/fishing/documents/musky/Muskyupdate_2012.pd...
http://muskie.outdoorsfirst.com/board/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=10...
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Location: Forest Lake, Mn. | http://files.dnr.state.mn.us/fish_wildlife/fisheries/plans/muskiepi...
The management of muskellunge, whether it has been in native waters or as a result of
introducing muskellunge in new waters of the state, has created a mystique of both a trophy
angling opportunity and concern about the potential effect of a large predator on the fish
community. Over the past 15 years interest and awareness of muskellunge angling opportunities
in Minnesota have reached new highs (Schroeder et al. 2007). This enthusiasm has brought out
more resident and non-resident anglers seeking to catch a muskellunge greater than 50 inches in
length. Online chat rooms and media reports help fuel the interest. In 2006, a video to promote
and describe muskellunge management on stocked lakes was prepared and distributed as a
cooperative venture by Muskies Inc. and Minnnesota DNR. In 2007, the DNR increased the
minimum size limit from 40 inches to 48 inches for 55 waters, a progressive approach to manage
a trophy muskellunge fishery with the use of regulations....
Management of muskellunge in Minnesota has focused on developing high quality trophy
fisheries. Younk and Pereira (2007) described trends in Minnesota’s muskellunge fishery that
included an increase in the number of 40 inch and larger fish and an increase in the proportion of
successful anglers following an increase in minimum size regulations. Angler reported catches of
50 inch and larger muskellunge have increased steadily from 1995 through 2004 with 163 such
fish reported in 2004 (Muskies Inc. data).
In a recent survey, muskellunge anglers expressed an above average satisfaction with the size
and numbers of muskellunges they have encountered (Schroeder et al. 2007), with about 80%
satisfied or very satisfied with their overall fishing experience. In contrast, they were less
satisfied with the number of muskellunge fishing opportunities. Schroeder et al. (2007) estimated
that 14% of licensed anglers target muskellunge when angling, with another 18% of nonmuskellunge
anglers moderately or very interested in fishing for muskellunge in the future. A
previous statewide survey (Schroeder and Fulton 2005) estimated that 9.3% of resident anglers in
Minnesota had fished for muskellunge in 2003; suggesting continued growth over the past four
years. These estimates corroborate other information that suggests substantial growth in the sport
of muskellunge fishing compared to previous estimates by management professionals (Wingate
1986). Creel surveys on Cass Lake (Figure 8) and Lake Bemidji confirm this growing interest:
in 1986 2.6 % of the anglers were targeting muskellunge, in 2003, 19.5% of the anglers were
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Location: Forest Lake, Mn. | PLEASE SOMEONE PRINT THE FIGURES FROM MY LAST FEW POSTS AND BRING THEM TO THE MEETING. i DON'T HAVE A COMPUTER PRINTER.
http://www.vdl.com/big-fish-big-bucks.htm
According to Bob Mehsikomer, president of Simply Fishing Inc., the tournament and the pre-tournament fishing trips had an economic impact of $500,000 -$600,000, based on independent surveys done by their group.
By Jodi Summit
Published: Monday, March 03, 2001908
The Timberjay - Volume 15, Issue 41
Hosting a muskie tournament with a $100,000 purse is a big task for a medium-sized resort on Lake Vermilion, or even two resorts.
But Bob Airis, at Bay View Lodge, and Ed Tausk, at Vermilion Dam Resort, were full up to their gills during the Simply Fishing Muskie Classic which lasted five days in September.
“I’d like to see them come back next year,” said Airis, “These fishermen were not intrusive, they weren’t like the bass fisherman lurking around docks.”
Both Airis and Tausk said the tournament filled their resorts during a fall week that is not typically busy. And both resort owners were impressed with the tournament participants’ sense of sportsmanship and respect for the lake and other boaters.
“They really followed the rules,” said Tausk, “they slowed down coming through the narrows and the fish always stayed in the water.”
Airis also had good things to say about the muskie fishermen.
“I heard one person say they saw a tournament team coming into a spot, but when the tournament team realized some local fishermen were fishing there, they just waved, and left the area.”
Catch and Release ethics
The Simply Fishing Muskie Classic was a first for the lake. And it was a tournament that really lived up to its catch-and-release image.
“Judges had to witness the release of the live fish at the boatside,” said Tausk, “If the fish was hurt, the team would be disqualified.” Tausk added that a fall tournament date meant colder water, and better overall survival rates for the released muskies.
Airis said the number of over-50 inch muskies caught, considering the poor fishing conditions, was impressive. He said tournament organizers estimated that Vermilion was producing more large muskies than any other lake they had based the tournament on.
By basing the tournament at two locations, the organizers also spread out boat traffic at both ends of the lake. In addition, the tournament started at 7:00 a.m., so there weren’t any complaints about early morning noise.
Airis said the only problem was the low number of judging boats. The tournament requires that any fish caught be kept in the water until a judge arrives to measure it. With the size of the lake, at least 30 judges are needed to make sure that fish can be measured and released quickly.
If the tournament is to return to Vermilion next fall, more judge boats will be required. Judge boat volunteers are reimbursed for their expenses, up to $75 per day. They are also included in all tournament functions, including a special judges’ reception.
The tournament went ahead without local support from the Lake Vermilion Resort Association and the Lake Vermilion Sportmen’s Club. Airis said the reputation of other fishing tournaments, especially bass tournaments, had soured some lake residents and business owners on the idea of hosting tournaments locally.
The tournament attracted 160 fishermen, most of whom came up to the lake prior to the tournament to scope out the fishing hot spots. In addition to Bay View and Vermilion Dam, many other local resorts filled beds due to the tournament, and local marinas saw increases in gas sales and repair business due to the event.
Half a million dollars impact
According to Bob Mehsikomer, president of Simply Fishing Inc., the tournament and the pre-tournament fishing trips had an economic impact of $500,000 -$600,000, based on independent surveys done by their group.
“Right now we are negotiating to bring it back to Vermilion,” he said, “But we do have two other markets that are campaigning for it.”
Mehsikomer said they are looking for more support from local businesses and individuals who would be willing to volunteer as judge boats.
“We could use help from lots of the smaller businesses,” he said, “Not just large corporate sponsors.” This year, corporate sponsors included Gander Mountain, Ranger Boats, Shimano and Beckman Nets. Bay View Lodge and Vermilion Dam also provided financial support, he said.
“We need to get it out there that muskie guys aren’t bass guys,” he said, “They fish differently. They manage their resource. Muskie have the lowest population biomass in the system.”
Walt Moe, president of the Sportmen’s Club of Lake Vermilion, said his impression of the tournament was very positive.
“This was probably one of the best run tournaments I’ve seen,” he said, “with the least impact to the lake.” Moe said the Sportsmen’s Club would be discussing the tournament at their next meeting, but that so far, he hadn’t heard any negative comments about the tournament’s impact on the lake, the resource or local residents.
Mehsikomer said this was the first large muskie tournament they had sponsored in the last six or so years.
“This was the largest, richest muskie tournament in the history of the sport,” he said, “nothing rivals it.” The prize money, which equaled 100 percent of the entry fees, meant an $80,000 top prize. Prizes could have been as high as $200,000 depending on the number of boats entered.
The tournament will be televised, nationwide, in January, on the Sportsmen’s Channel, I-Life Network, Fox Sports and possibly TV-41 of Minneapolis.
“There could be a million viewers who see the show,” Mehsikomer said.
The decision on whether or not Vermilion will host the tournament again next year may be made as soon as later this month, when Mehsikomer travels back to Vermilion to meet with the two host resort owners and other possible sponsors.
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Location: Forest Lake, Mn. | The Impact Fishing Tourneys Have On The Local Economy
http://www.post-journal.com/page/content.detail/id/506933/The-Impac...
On the opening weekend of the 2008 muskie season, Muskie First ran what has become its annual two-day catch-and-release muskie event on Chautauqua Lake. This event is the brain child of longtime Lake Erie charter boat captain and avid muskie guide Larry Jones. Captain Larry has worked with local muskie fisherman, Chautauqua County Visitors Bureau and Chautauqua County Sports Fishing and Hunting Promotion to promote this two-day event.
The 2008 event saw 50 boats taking part in the event. As in the past the proceeds from the event went directly back into the Chautauqua Lake muskie hatchery. The monies raised from this event over the years has been spent on additional feed for the pen-raised muskie fry.
The additional feed is used to hold the muskie fry until they get to what is classified as muskie fingerlings. Studies have been conducted and common sense agrees that the larger the fish that are stocked in a given body of water the much better chance of survival they have.
With tournaments like Muskie First giving directly back to the community and the fishery, fishing on Chautauqua Lake will continue to thrive for today and the future. |
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Location: Forest Lake, Mn. | http://www.jsonline.com/sports/outdoors/chippewa-musky-club-celebra...
"Resident and nonresident anglers generate an economic impact of nearly $2.3 billion per year in Wisconsin, according to the American Sportfishing Association."
Figure out what % of Wisconsin fishermen fish muskies and that will give some idea of how much of that 2.3 billion is generated by muskies and I think it's safe to say it would be similar for Minnesota. |
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I think everyone who attends the meeting should bring their boat and fish Pelican the day after the meeting!!!! Hahaha
I suspect there will be several boats in the parking lot. |
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Location: Alexandria, Minnesota | Hey Guys, Just two days away until this meeting, believe me every number and every voice will count at this meeting. So do not forget and do not expect others to be their to be your voice. Very important that everyone that can attend makes it there.... |
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| This whole thing is extremely disappointing. My boat spends a couple hundred dollars a weekend almost always. Food, gas, booze, lures, line, batteries, everything. I've been fishing these lakes for 15+ years. Drunk morons driving boats way too big for them. Jet skis driving 10 feet from fishermen. Wakeboarding boats nearly capsizing the poor guys with small aluminum boats. Trash floating all over the place. And now muskies and muskie fishermen are the issue. Insane. From what I gather and hear this guy is a very dishonest person who trades in dramatics and fearmongering, who also happens to have money and free time. This small group of people might be ignorant about the issue, but they have gotten us to this point. It is important people make it to this meeting in numbers and conduct themselves in a very professional and matter-of-fact kind of way. If we go in acting like how these anti-musky folks want to portray us, we lose this fight. And then it'll be your lakes next. I hope everyone will take this seriously. We can't let this be the moment it all starts unwinding for muskies in Minnesota. And it very well could be if we don't put a stop to it immediately. |
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| The guy raising all the fuss,,does anybody know if he owns jet skis????,,because jet ski accidents far outweigh all other boating accidents. If he's into people's and children's safety on lakes. We should print out the stats and ask him why he isnt trying to ban these. |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | jabird - 10/24/2015 4:33 PM
I think everyone who attends the meeting should bring their boat and fish Pelican the day after the meeting!!!! Hahaha
I suspect there will be several boats in the parking lot.
Maybe every muskie guy should go to Pelican and fish walleyes and show them all how it's done  |
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| I forgot my musky baits in ND 2 weeks ago. Had my other gear. Really thought of doing just that and bass and crappies. But given the time of year and the 30 odd Muskie lures I did have I couldn't put myself to do it. |
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| Email sent to representatives. Good luck guys. Stand tall and be heard ! |
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Location: Ashland WI | Kirby Budrow - 10/28/2015 9:03 AM
Maybe every muskie guy should go to Pelican and fish walleyes and show them all how it's done :)
That would be a good idea.
You would probably be tempted to put one on a quick-strike rig though..... |
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Location: The desert | Remember, keep a level head. Yelling and insulting doesn't help the cause.
If anyone needs to yell or insult, I can stick around after the meeting and you can yell at me. I'm used to it, and can take it  |
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| How is the meeting to take place? whats the flow of it?
all open mic?
covering bullet points?
reps, dnr speaking?
thanks |
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Location: Alex or Alek? | mnmusky - 10/28/2015 6:46 PM
How is the meeting to take place? whats the flow of it?
all open mic?
covering bullet points?
reps, dnr speaking?
thanks
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| Never been to a meeting like this but isn't up to the DNR to run the meeting and ask for comments? |
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| It's my recent understanding the involved politicians called the meeting. I was questioning how the format of the meeting is to take place. Is it a lecture.. Q&A session, open mic, etc...??? |
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Location: Metro | Kirby Budrow - 10/28/2015 9:03 AM
jabird - 10/24/2015 4:33 PM
I think everyone who attends the meeting should bring their boat and fish Pelican the day after the meeting!!!! Hahaha
I suspect there will be several boats in the parking lot.
Maybe every muskie guy should go to Pelican and fish walleyes and show them all how it's done :)
That is what I am talking about ha ha. Showing support from the cities today. Cant make it because of work obligations. Thanks for all that attend the meeting. Means a lot to the musky community. |
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| I wish I could go, but a 1000 mile drive is not going to happen tonight. Good luck guys, I hope the muskie crowd has a good showing. |
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Location: The desert | Full house, lots of musky guys.
Some grumpy old folks too. Perhaps they're lost? |
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Location: Minnesota | Keep up the up dates |
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Location: The desert | Perkins ran out of pie, one person is very salty.
Jerry Sondag made excellent comments as a property owner on Pelican. |
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Location: The desert | Comment about the Knapp study being inaccurate was soundly rebuttaled by DNR head of fisheries.
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Location: The desert | Fargo-Moorehead walleyes individual spoke in support of the best walleye lakes are those with musky in them.
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