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Message Subject: Let's Talk BIG Muskies!
Will Schultz
Posted 3/7/2014 9:13 AM (#696975 - in reply to #696811)
Subject: Re: Let's Talk BIG Muskies!





Location: Grand Rapids, MI
sworrall - 3/6/2014 4:23 PM Larry comments: In December of 2013, Ed Barbossa caught and released a giant that weighed "at least" 58-pounds on an IGFA certified scale. Due to the fact that Seeberger's 58-pounder was under review for record, Ed decided to release this massive fish that 54.75-inches long and had a massive girth of 30.50-inches.

Just to clarify, this fish was caught in December 2012 while the Seeberger fish was under review.

Larry Ramsell -

Will: That fish you got your son this year is worthy of any thread. Feel free to post it here!

 

I was referring to making the 60"ers. 



Edited by Will Schultz 3/7/2014 9:16 AM
Larry Ramsell
Posted 3/7/2014 9:34 AM (#696982 - in reply to #696683)
Subject: Re: Let's Talk BIG Muskies!




Posts: 1291


Location: Hayward, Wisconsin
Well muskyrat, I was going to start today with 60-inchers, but since you mentioned the St. Lawrence on the opener, I just had to post this photo of Reed Findlan and his beautiful 57.25 inch St. Lawrence River release in June of 2013. Most guys out there don't fish until fall! He weighed it at 51-pounds 5-ounces on an IGFA certified scale before he let it go!




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Larry Ramsell
Posted 3/7/2014 9:41 AM (#696984 - in reply to #696683)
Subject: Re: Let's Talk BIG Muskies!




Posts: 1291


Location: Hayward, Wisconsin
And I had a request for more Barbossa and Lazarus. For those of you who weren't there at the Chicago Musky Show, the panel of myself, Russ Wayre, Jim Saric and Spence Petros were on a panel to try and determine the Top Five Muskie Fisherman of All-Time. All agreed that Mike Lazarus definitely belonged on that list...he was number one on mine.

Following are two more great photos. The fist showing both Laz and Barbossa holding Ed's released 58-pounder from the St. Lawrence. The second shows the Capt. with a 49-pound released Ontario lake fish and his face denotes how ugly late fall muskie fishing can be! Don't drool too much!



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muskyrat
Posted 3/7/2014 9:58 AM (#696986 - in reply to #696683)
Subject: RE: Let's Talk BIG Muskies!




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Is there a way to buy a pre certified scale from IGFA? Do you have to weigh the fish on land? Officially Jacked up! When does the season open? Is Ontario the same day as NY? Sorry for the question blitz.
Larry Ramsell
Posted 3/7/2014 10:02 AM (#696988 - in reply to #696683)
Subject: Re: Let's Talk BIG Muskies!




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Location: Hayward, Wisconsin
Alrighty then, time to move on to 60-inchers. First, two qualifiers. I am not going to post every photo I have of claimed 60-inch and plus fish...too much digging in the files to do that and those I won't put here have already been published. Second, since none of the following fish were measured on a bump board (to my knowledge) I cannot speak to the veracity of the claimed lengths. You will have to make up your own mind.

The first (2-one photo) come from ILLINOIS!! Somewhere in northern Illinois there is a privately stocked strip mine (likely with Kalepp Fish Farm muskies...they used to have a 57-inch brood female that they took their eggs from). First, several years ago they found a dead giant on shore that measured supposedly, 63-inches...no photo available (yet). Then, this past spring another giant was found dead that measured 60-inches! Picture follows:




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Brozz88
Posted 3/7/2014 10:06 AM (#696990 - in reply to #696988)
Subject: Re: Let's Talk BIG Muskies!




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Didn't Mark Carlson just catch a big one with Lazarus in the st Larry ? That guys got big fish sonar in his head!
Jerry Newman
Posted 3/7/2014 10:11 AM (#696992 - in reply to #696877)
Subject: Re: Let's Talk BIG Muskies!




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Jeff78 - 3/6/2014 8:13 PM Larry, wasn't there a huge set of jaws found on the Chip a number of years ago? Are you able to guesstimate the size of the fish from as little as that? Great old pics by the way!!!

I’m not sure which sets of jaws these are, there have been a bunch of them found walking shore lines in the spring threw the years. I think there is still a set from 1989 on display at Treelands in Hayward that's been estimated at 70lb, and there was another set found more recently around 2006? that supposedly came from an even bigger fish. 

There's an article in musky Hunter where the local retired WDNR guy Frank Pratt estimated the Treelands muskie to be between 58-68" long, and 55-70lber in the March 1999 issue of Musky Hunter. The huge problem I see is that Pratt calculated the size of the fish from the jaw bones by comparing them to Cal Johnson's WR... he determined they were only "slightly larger". 

I seem to remember that the 2006 set was sent to the University of Madison, but nothing was disclosed on what they found out… again, as I recall, the more recent 2006 set was compared to the 89 set, which was compared to the Johnson mount, which in fact came from a low 50” Muskie. 

In that MH article they also compare the 89 set to a “claimed” 40lb mount from Hayward that looks to have the body enhanced like Johnson's mount as well, and the set of 89 jaw bones dwarfs the 40lb? jaw, and it becomes a pretty big tangle of what's really what. With that said; I do not understand how anyone can estimate the weight of a fish from just the jawbones in this manner anyway, and there is obviously issues with trying to compare anything with Johnson's mount.

Although I think they're all kind of cool in spite of the above, when people measure the width of the lower jawbone and then compare it to the width of a legitimate large mounted muskie, the jaw bones are going to be wider because they spread out when they are no longer attached to the head.

Also, with no cartilage and flesh around the teeth, the jawbones outwardly appear to have longer teeth, which has obviously fooled a lot of people into believing the fish are much bigger than they actually were. 

But they're still cool to look at!




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Larry Ramsell
Posted 3/7/2014 10:15 AM (#696993 - in reply to #696683)
Subject: Re: Let's Talk BIG Muskies!




Posts: 1291


Location: Hayward, Wisconsin
Yes BROZ88 Carlson did catch a 56-inch, 55-pounder from the St. Lawrence River last December with Lazarus. Here is another photo of that fish:




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Larry Ramsell
Posted 3/7/2014 10:18 AM (#696994 - in reply to #696683)
Subject: Re: Let's Talk BIG Muskies!




Posts: 1291


Location: Hayward, Wisconsin
Now for our next 60-inchers. This is a 2007 fish from Lac Suel by Mark Podobinski.




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Larry Ramsell
Posted 3/7/2014 10:20 AM (#696997 - in reply to #696683)
Subject: Re: Let's Talk BIG Muskies!




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Location: Hayward, Wisconsin
Next we'll revive one from this board in 2008. Another Lac Suel 60 caught by Neil Michelin.




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Larry Ramsell
Posted 3/7/2014 10:27 AM (#697001 - in reply to #696683)
Subject: Re: Let's Talk BIG Muskies!




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Location: Hayward, Wisconsin
Of course I would be remiss if I didn't re-post Daniel Polinak Jr.'s 60 x 29.5 monster caught with Capt. Rich Clark on the St. Lawrence River in 2011.




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Ski Patrol
Posted 3/7/2014 10:28 AM (#697002 - in reply to #696986)
Subject: RE: Let's Talk BIG Muskies!




Posts: 33


Location: Ontario, Canada
muskyrat - 3/7/2014 9:58 AM

Is there a way to buy a pre certified scale from IGFA? Do you have to weigh the fish on land? Officially Jacked up! When does the season open? Is Ontario the same day as NY? Sorry for the question blitz.


Ontario's stretch of the St. Lawrence fall's under zone 20. 3rd Saturday in June. Go get em!
Brozz88
Posted 3/7/2014 10:37 AM (#697004 - in reply to #697002)
Subject: RE: Let's Talk BIG Muskies!




Posts: 216


Those are some pigs!! I think a few of em like the rich clark fish,Carlsons fish and another monster caught 2 days before the Carlson fish were all released and are gonna be even bigger this year!! Can't wait man I'm pumped keep it comin Larry
Larry Ramsell
Posted 3/7/2014 10:38 AM (#697006 - in reply to #696683)
Subject: Re: Let's Talk BIG Muskies!




Posts: 1291


Location: Hayward, Wisconsin
I'll end the 60-inchers with three mystery fish. The first mystery fish I am at a loss as to where I got it (hmmm). It is a reported 61-incher and although very skinny, it looks to be that long to me.

Second mystery fish is a Minnesota muskie reported to be 60 or 61-inches. Name and location shall remain withheld for now until more permissions are given. I was unable to upload the photo due to size, sorry.

And last isn't really a mystery to me, but it necessarily must remain that way for you for now, again permissions needed. It is a late June muskie (post spawn) that had a 59-inch "fork length", equating to a 63-inch total length! It was kept and weighed a spawned out 49-pounds.

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muskyrat
Posted 3/7/2014 10:38 AM (#697007 - in reply to #697002)
Subject: RE: Let's Talk BIG Muskies!




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Thanks man. Those are some beautiful fish. Even the rotten one was impressive.
Larry Ramsell
Posted 3/7/2014 10:57 AM (#697008 - in reply to #696683)
Subject: Re: Let's Talk BIG Muskies!




Posts: 1291


Location: Hayward, Wisconsin
Ok, that depletes most of my readily accessible photos for now. I would however, like to end on a bit of a self-serving great day of muskie fishing December 3, 2012, where two giants were involved while fishing the St. Lawrence River with my good friend Rich Wren and of course the Capt., Mike Lazarus.

We started out mid day the first day there and within 15 minutes, Rich boated a mammoth mid 50-incher that pulled the IGFA certified scale down to 49-pounds. Of course he then promptly released it.

Wow, what a day I thought, but little did I know it wasn't over by a long shot! Less than three hours later, the reel went again and I struggled with a real head shaker until we were finally able to get it into the boat. She measured in at 55.5-inches long and pulled the certified scale to 51-pounds! My first ever 50-pounder after 55 years of chasing these beasts! When I set her back in the water, she was gone so fast, I have to wonder if she had even been there or was I day dreaming. The photos suggested that it was for real!

Enjoy, as I have enjoyed bring all these giants to you to help get us thru this #*^@able winter...Larry

Note: I couldn't get the photos to load, so I will send them to Mr. Worrall.

Edited by Larry Ramsell 3/7/2014 11:17 AM



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Mr Musky
Posted 3/7/2014 11:22 AM (#697011 - in reply to #696683)
Subject: Re: Let's Talk BIG Muskies!





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Larry, this is just what we needed this winter! Thank You again!
Jimbo
Posted 3/7/2014 11:41 AM (#697016 - in reply to #696683)
Subject: RE: Let's Talk BIG Muskies!





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Larry
I know this was caught in Green Bay out of season but how big do you think this was?

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Corso Mike
Posted 3/7/2014 12:27 PM (#697030 - in reply to #697016)
Subject: RE: Let's Talk BIG Muskies!




Posts: 182


Extremely interesting. Just gets the blood pumping.
If someone isn't holding the fish it looks pretty fishy.
ToothTamer
Posted 3/7/2014 12:43 PM (#697037 - in reply to #696683)
Subject: Re: Let's Talk BIG Muskies!





Posts: 311


Location: Lake St.Clair
Wow some true giants and awesome thread keep this going!
chasintails
Posted 3/7/2014 12:50 PM (#697041 - in reply to #696683)
Subject: Re: Let's Talk BIG Muskies!




Posts: 457


I would like to hear more about this giant Northern Illinois Muskie. That would have shattered the current state record. What lake was that again?
Larry Ramsell
Posted 3/7/2014 1:17 PM (#697049 - in reply to #696683)
Subject: Re: Let's Talk BIG Muskies!




Posts: 1291


Location: Hayward, Wisconsin
Jimbo: It is hard to say how big the out of season Green Bay fish was. It is obviously full of eggs and could weigh an additional 20% of normal body weight with those eggs. No doubt huge, but we'll never know for sure how big it was.
Musky Brian
Posted 3/7/2014 1:32 PM (#697057 - in reply to #697049)
Subject: Re: Let's Talk BIG Muskies!





Posts: 1767


Location: Lake Country, Wisconsin
Larry...that first Lac Seul fish, what are your thoughts on the legitimacy? I've seen several photos of it and I just don't see 60" there...
Larry Ramsell
Posted 3/7/2014 2:28 PM (#697067 - in reply to #696683)
Subject: Re: Let's Talk BIG Muskies!




Posts: 1291


Location: Hayward, Wisconsin
Musky Brian: I refer to to my earlier post re the 60's:

"Alrighty then, time to move on to 60-inchers. First, two qualifiers. I am not going to post every photo I have of claimed 60-inch and plus fish...too much digging in the files to do that and those I won't put here have already been published. Second, since none of the following fish were measured on a bump board (to my knowledge) I cannot speak to the veracity of the claimed lengths. You will have to make up your own mind."

Edited by Larry Ramsell 3/7/2014 2:29 PM
lennyg3
Posted 3/7/2014 2:28 PM (#697068 - in reply to #697016)
Subject: RE: Let's Talk BIG Muskies!





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Location: NE PA
Jimbo - 3/7/2014 12:41 PM

Larry
I know this was caught in Green Bay out of season but how big do you think this was?


Maybe it's just me, but these pics look photoshopped
horsehunter
Posted 3/7/2014 2:43 PM (#697074 - in reply to #696683)
Subject: Re: Let's Talk BIG Muskies!




Location: Eastern Ontario
None of the fishermen I know are smart enough to use Photoshop hell most of us can't even resize pictures.
The guy with the out of season fish must be a strong SOB I would have a grimace on my face or be sitting down. Undoubtedly a quality fish.
Ronix
Posted 3/7/2014 2:52 PM (#697076 - in reply to #697068)
Subject: RE: Let's Talk BIG Muskies!




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lennyg3 - 3/7/2014 3:28 PM

Jimbo - 3/7/2014 12:41 PM

Larry
I know this was caught in Green Bay out of season but how big do you think this was?


Maybe it's just me, but these pics look photoshopped


Actually now that you say it I can see what you mean...
Jimbo
Posted 3/7/2014 3:17 PM (#697084 - in reply to #697076)
Subject: RE: Let's Talk BIG Muskies!





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Yes it was photoshopped and the guy admitted it right off the bat. Him and a well known Wisconsin guide caught the fish and they were trying to protect the location of this spawning monster muskie. Just trying to make the photo look better I guess.

Edited by Jimbo 3/7/2014 3:19 PM
Lunger50
Posted 3/7/2014 4:56 PM (#697134 - in reply to #696683)
Subject: RE: Let's Talk BIG Muskies!




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What about this one. Any info on this fish? By the looks of that head and was something ridiculously HUGE. Possibly the biggest ever caught? Wish I could find a better picture.

The second pic I just through in as it might be the most iconic muskie photo ever taken.

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Larry Ramsell
Posted 3/7/2014 5:14 PM (#697146 - in reply to #696683)
Subject: Re: Let's Talk BIG Muskies!




Posts: 1291


Location: Hayward, Wisconsin
Lunger50:

The one that you posted up is an oldie from 1994. It is a 58 1/2 x 29 Caught by Ed Barbossa again fishing with Mike Lazarus. Since I have, courtesy of Mr. Barbossa, another view of that shot, here it is...many that were there that day felt it a 60-pound class fish...it was also released by Ed.

The other is a 61 incher caught several years ago from the Ottawa River. There are other photos but the angler wouldn't allow them to be used.



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