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Location: minocqua, wi. | just watched it … pioneering, innovative, adventurous. i would imagine based on the experience they will continue to develop their approach and tactics and get even better at it. they likely started a trend that will get more people into the sport and maybe generate a little jealousy along the way. |
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Location: Northern Illinois | So all day long muskie guys preach about protecting the resource. Why would you
encourage or educate the masses about vulnerable fish in skinny trout waters? I grew
up in Wisconsin trout/steel head fishing. I have seen acts of unethical behavior that I
won't mention here. These fish are unprotected on these brushy, wooded streams.
Lets leave them alone & they'll make it back to the main river system to be caught
another day. Just because it's legal doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. Keyes had
every right to do it and is under pressure to put out shows. Personally, I would never
have thought to go "hunting" big muskies up small trout streams...but now I do. For
what it's worth, I won't do it. JMO. |
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Location: oswego, il | Brushy streams, deep water, trolling, live bait, 3 hooks, I am thinking we just need to outlaw musky fishing. |
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| Fishen-ski's - 1/22/2014 8:40 AM
So all day long muskie guys preach about protecting the resource. Why would you
encourage or educate the masses about vulnerable fish in skinny trout waters? I grew
up in Wisconsin trout/steel head fishing. I have seen acts of unethical behavior that I
won't mention here. These fish are unprotected on these brushy, wooded streams.
Lets leave them alone & they'll make it back to the main river system to be caught
another day. Just because it's legal doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. Keyes had
every right to do it and is under pressure to put out shows. Personally, I would never
have thought to go "hunting" big muskies up small trout streams...but now I do. For
what it's worth, I won't do it. JMO. x2 |
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Location: Contrarian Island | the sky is falling, the sky is falling... the creeks and streams are going to be overrun w musky anglers this May! give me a break. I bet about .01% of the guys that saw the show will even attempt it....I'm convinced musky fisherman can complain about basically everything. |
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Location: Hudson, WI | Just a strange lot the sporting community has become in general. I have a friend who started bowhunting two years ago. All he ever talks about is his trail cams, how he's got "Stickers" and "Skunk" on the hit list, how he's going to put a Rage in the cage. Then he passes a 2.5 eight that he aged on the hoof...DUDE, YOU'VE NEVER SHOT A DEER!"
Same thing here. Guys three years into the game bashing catch and release fishing during the open season. The same guys will go bang smallies off of beds, keep a limit of walleyes, and troll a crankbait a foot above the thermocline when the water is 79 degrees...but not 80! We only have less than half of the year to fish up here and before you know it, the season won't start until 4th of July. Then the temps will be too high, so that will leave us with mid-September until ice up to fish without the biology experts trashing every move you make. |
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| BNelson - 1/22/2014 10:28 AM
the sky is falling, the sky is falling... the creeks and streams are going to be overrun w musky anglers this May! give me a break. I bet about .01% of the guys that saw the show will even attempt it....I'm convinced musky fisherman can complain about basically everything.
YUP.... |
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Location: MN | I enjoyed the episode. I don't have a problem with fisherman fishing for fish inseason.
Those who do are a bunch of cry babies. |
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Location: Germantown, WI | I'm not a biologist, but I've read several articles that indicate that keeping a closed season during the spawn does very little to protect the spawn. In fact several fisheries biologists have stated that there is no research indicating that catch and release during the spawing cycle significantly harms reproductive success. It seems that a closed season during the spawn is kept for historical more than a biological reasons. I would have no problem with the DNR opening the musky season at the same time as all other gamefish, but making the first month of the season catch and release only above Hwy 10 in Wisconsin. If they want to leave it as it currently is, that doesn't bother me either. It has been correctly noted that what Mike Keyes was doing on the recent TV episode was perfectly legal. It should also be noted that very little documented natural reproduction occurs in the waters he was fishing. Even if there were natural reproduction there is no research to show that proper catch and release would harm the spawning success of those fish. I enjoy watching Keyes Outdoors, even more so than The Musky Hunter. Some people just feel a need to complain about something so I guess Mike is a good target at this time of year. That's my 2 cents. |
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Location: oswego, il | BNelson - 1/22/2014 10:28 AM
the sky is falling, the sky is falling... the creeks and streams are going to be overrun w musky anglers this May! give me a break. I bet about .01% of the guys that saw the show will even attempt it....I'm convinced musky fisherman can complain about basically everything.
I think they way this winternet is going we could have a heated debate over hats vs. Visors!
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Location: WI | Hats! Visors are for fibs. Lol JK |
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Location: Walker, MN | I recall hearing Al Lindner talking about the nasty letters and blow-back they got for fishing for Flatheads with live Sunfish on one of their TV shows. It was perfectly legal where they were fishing but people got down right emotional. People in the public eye are always scrutinized more. It may be unfair and sometimes hypocritical but it is just the way it is. I'm not justifying it... I'm just sayin'. |
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Location: WI | I'm with moltisanti. I thought it was an interesting episode and the reality is that that style fishing is way to much work for most anglers. Go ahead and haul your gear in the woods with your boots on. Chances are you won't catch anything and will never try it again. If you do hook up do or best to release the fish unharmed.
Remember mike Keyes has a show for a reason. He's a pro and made that a lot easier than it would be in reality. I know that's how a lot of our fishing brothers in the east and south fish from shore so why not here. Not to mention that this year was an unusual year and most years once Season opens those fish are long gone. |
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| I think the 10 muskie anglers who actually do this are serious enough about their sport that we don't have to worry about them.
Instead of going at it over this, let's unite and get some new waters stocked. When's the next public input on that? |
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| Moltisanti - 1/22/2014 11:11 AM
We only have less than half of the year to fish up here and before you know it, the season won't start until 4th of July. Then the temps will be too high, so that will leave us with mid-September until ice up to fish without the biology experts trashing every move you make.
We have the same problem down south. I fish Kinkaid in Illinois. Realistically we fish from mid March until the end of May. June, July, August and most of September we have water temps over 80 so we can't fish. Then we start up again in late September and are basically done again at Thanksgiving. Really 5 months of total fishing time in a typical year. My boat sits in the garage just as much during the summer as it does in the winter. |
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| I do quite a bit of fishing for muskies during prespawn, spawn, and post spawn. Muskies overcome amazing obstacles to spawn, and I doubt a quick catch and release is going to stop them. During the actual spawn, females almost never bite. The males will strike out of aggression. I have been reading this discussion, and it has been interesting. Unfortunately, no matter when we choose to fish muskies, they are getting hurt to some extent. We are fishing for them and that is the risk we assume. It is part of the sport. Keeping damage to a minimum is of course important. |
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| Agree with Adam. They put the fish in for us to enjoy. I have caught pre spawn fish and either gave them to fisheries guys collecting fish or released them into the nets. From there the fish go into a tanker truck that gets pounded on our crappy N.J. roads all the way to the hatchery. Then they get dumped into a pond and netted and tested everyday until they are ready. Once they are stripped they get dumped into the pond again. When the guys get a chance in the future they sein net the fish back out of the pond and into the truck They get shaken up on various N.J. roads unfit for travel and reinserted into the lake. Once in the lake many are recaught within a short period of time. Then they are released by the angler once again. |
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| gotem - 1/18/2014 5:18 PM
Your thoughts on 1st show 2014 trout style muskies on youtube by keyesoutdoors ? fishing spawning/prespawn muskies in Wisconsin? Please watch the video and comment.
Loved it! Also loved the mille lacs episodes! Love fishing them in the spawn! |
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Location: Eagan, MN | Not sure why folks have their undies in a bundle over this spawning thing. Muskies are broadcast spreaders when it comes to spawning, not nest guarders like bass and sunnies. So, there should be no issue with egg viability if mom or dad is caught and released before or after the actual spawning event. I don't know about you guys, but my experience is that muskies in the actual process of spawning don't care a bit about anything else at that moment, they are that locked on to each other. Any musky that is voluntarily caught at that time of year is on either side of the actual spawn. So, the issue is that they are being targeted in their spawning grounds? So what. A Muskie severely injured or mortally wounded by a well meaning angler in July or October or any other non-spawning period is just as likely not to spawn successfully the following year or any year thereafter. If you choose to fish for muskies, then you are taking a gamble on potentially inadvertently hurting fish. All of us. The best we can do is care for them as best we can and I think Keyes tries to do that. He has the best musky show on television, certainly the most entertaining, to me at least. My only complaint is he should bury the hatchet with Genson and bring that guy back. |
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| Im fine with it and I would do it there too. He had a giant back pack on and hiked in for miles not that many people would even do that so I woulnt be worried about it. |
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| I'm just starting my 2nd year of Muskie Fishing and I think hats are way better than visors. I'm all about keeping the sport fun and light. I'll CPR and do my very best to release them healthy. I won't become a bitter, holier than thou, elitist Musky Fisherman because it looks just about as good on me as a visor. Wait. What was this about? Oh, yeah. That episode of Keyes Outdoors was great!! I see nothing wrong there at all, unless having fun and catching nice fish is wrong. |
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| I sometimes don't understand what people are worked up about. I wish sometimes people ran their mouths on this filter. (Is what was done, done according to the law). If it was done according to the law, then complain about the law. But a grown man exercising his freedoms gets all this talk. You could move this topic to a PETA board, change a couple words here or there and you sound like PETA members trying to take your rights, and not outdoorsmen.
Keyes promotes catch and release. He promotes muskies inc. and he shows tactics it doesn't always take an expensive boat and tools to get involved with the sport. The 16 year old kid that sees that trout show, and becomes successful doing what was shown. That kid is the future of our sport.
This board is filled with a lot of great minds, and some of the most outstanding fishermen in the country. Yet every year like clock work we bicker amongst ourselves over the little things. and kick people who promote the sport in a positive light in the teeth.
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| montei - 1/20/2014 8:20 PM
I liked the episode! I thought it was cool to see something besides casting out of a boat! I thought keyes did a great job with the show and did nothing wrong imo. its fishing.. line breaks just apart of the game. i bet it didn't take that pig of a fish to shake that bait free.
can you give me a link ? |
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | I saw Mike at the MilW show and shook his hand and said hello, his video was playing on a pretty big screen behind us. I don't think Mike has to appologize to anyone, he didn't do anything evil... Its a fish.......most of us started out bank fishing little creeks & rivers as kids. I've lost some big fish in some of those skinny waters. Muskies, pike, bass & walleyes can be trophy class, mostly because they are ignored by the elitist's who are all rallying to latest hot bite location. I hope a lot of kids say: "Hey, that looks like fun!" But I hope they do what Mike preaches to all, "protect the fish after its landed"... If you haven't lost muskies, you are not musie fishing or you're lying to yourself. I'm absolutely certain Mike wasn't happy at that moment either, but its also part of the game! As someone else said, he could have just as well of hidden that segment, he didn't, thats a simple sign of his integrety..
Thanks, Mike. I hope you have a stellar 2014 season!
Have fun!
Al
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| hey gentle about peta!!!by chance there is guys that take care of nature.sometimes its too extremist but its better than nothing no?
like 99.9% of the m1 guess i'm not a biologist,then it's hard to have credible opinion. i just hope ko follow the rules,and i also hope the rules are made to protect the fish not the economy.Personally even if i'm not a biologist i'm sure a little bit of peace 1 moment per year is not bad for them.concerning their so good release technique i'm not sure about that,all the process have been cut,that's why wonder how some guys can comment that part of the show? |
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| ESOX Maniac - 1/20/2014 10:24 PM
...... I've fished for them in May in Canada.
Al
What the %$#&
So, what your saying is you illegally targeted muskies in Canada? Pretty sure there isn't a place in this country where the season opens before the first Saturday in June.
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | LOL- That far back, the season was open then, it changed, I changed! Don't get bent out of shape! |
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| I don't understand why it's okay to fish muskies during the spawn if it's a cold late spring, but not okay if it's an early warm spring? This doesn't make sense. It should either be okay or not okay to fish them during the spawn. If it is okay, then open everything early on the same date. If it's not okay to fish them during the spawn, then the DNR should monitor the spawning situation each year in a few regions across each state and declare the muskie fishing opener when the spawn is finished. So, it would range from May 15 - June 15 in most cases throughout the midwest.
Since I don't agree with the muskie opener dates and I can find no research that suggests fishing them in the spawn is any more harmful than any other time of year, I will fish for them in the spawn whether the season is open or not. I will use bass fishing rods, reels, and lures, and pretty much just bass fish in spawning areas.
Think about it.....do you agree with coming to a complete stop at every stop sign? Do you agree with all speed limits? Think about this one.....the WI DNR requires a bow hunter to wear blaze orange if hunting during an open gun season. Well, if I'm bow hunting on my own land, I'll wear a blaze orange vest on the walk in to my stand, but once I get up on stand I take the vest off and put it in my pack. Technically I'm breaking the law, but I think what I'm doing is perfectly okay and safe and reasonable.
I'm very much a law abiding citizen the vast majority of the time. I use common sense and intelligence to decide when to bend the law a little bit. I realize that lawmakers can't make every single law perfect and cover every scenario. So I use my best judgement to determine if what I am doing is reasonable, ethic, and also make sure to think it through before hand and make sure the chances of getting in trouble are slim to none.
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Location: Lake Tomahawk, WI | MUSKYLUND1 - 1/22/2014 12:49 PM
It seems that a closed season during the spawn is kept for historical more than a biological reasons.
Welcome to WI fish/game management 101.
Great show by the way, and yes Mike can't seem to wake up in the morning without someone ripping on him. Keep up the great work, man!
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Location: Smith Creek | Mr. Keyes reaps what he sows. He was ripping into people long before this thread started.
As to the biological reason not to fish (even catch and release) prior to the spawn is because stressed fish can and will reabsorb their eggs when stressed. Not a biggie where Keyes was fishing, but for populations relying on natural reproduction the loss of several hundred thousand eggs can be a big deal, especially when only one out how many million becomes an adult.
bcram, if you're planning on fishing them early season in northern WI with bass gear you might want to check the regs on bass, too.
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