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Location: Lake Tomahawk, WI | Make it 2, Sled.
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| I would prefer to keep things as they are, no scientific reason, just personal preference. I like fishing in the fall when there is little motor noise. That will change.
However, I feel trolling is inevitable. If for no other reason than that the average guy today is out of shape and over weight. Lot easier to sit and troll than to cast for 8 to 10 hours. The reality is a lot of Americans are in really poor physical condition and it is getting worse, not better. Just the way it is. |
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Location: Smith Creek | If trolling isn't legalized in Vilas and Oneida we'll lose all our muskie fisherman to North Dakota. It's already happening! |
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Location: Elgin, IL | North of 8 - 2/27/2013 10:07 AM
However, I feel trolling is inevitable. If for no other reason than that the average guy today is out of shape and over weight. Lot easier to sit and troll than to cast for 8 to 10 hours. The reality is a lot of Americans are in really poor physical condition and it is getting worse, not better. Just the way it is.
That's the exact reason for me personally...it is getting worse. |
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Location: Madison, WI | unless NE WI imposes a 10mph speed-limit, the whole "boats buzzing around" argument is crap. there's already jetskis and power boats running around, and some guy trolling doesn't make any noise compared to the 200hp running WOT back and forth all afternoon.
the idea that allowing trolling will mean NE WI is suddenly overrun with fishermen isn't likely either. the same number of people will be fishing up there, it would just mean some of their boat's would be moving slowly.
chicken little's in rare form on this one!
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Location: minocqua, wi. | you can troll in madison, the stocking class is hitting its peak and it's a shorter drive ... win, win, win!! |
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Location: Oconto Falls, WI | Why is there such strong feelings that there should be trolling in N. WI? Is it just the sucker deal? If not suckers why do you feel so strongly that it should be allowed?
As far as aging fisherman being allowed to troll that is a good point. However, I believe (I could be wrong) you can get a special permit that would allow you to troll if handicapped. Kind of like the crossbow permit.
Sloan I would buy you a beer as well, but rarely am I in a bar. |
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Location: Racine, Wi | I personally am for it. I haven't read the proposal, but for pete's sake, you can troll in a lot of the lakes across our state already, and we aren't seeing mass carnage. Ever been on Pewaukee on a weekend during the summer? Lots of guys trolling and casting, and the guys all get along just fine. Get on Okauchee, and you'll see more guys casting then trolling as it's a tough lake to troll, so guys cast it more often than troll.
Plenty of small lakes around that get trolled as well. No issues there between trollers and casters and that's on pressured water. Might take some getting used to for those who aren't used to having trollers around, but if a guys has no eithics to begin with, he's going to cut you off trolling or casting. That's not a method of presentation issue, it's an ethical issue that was inherent before trolling potentially became legal.
Is it easier than casting? Hardly. But those who are good at it will catch fish. Others that aren't as productive at trolling, will luck into one occasionally. If there are guides running a gazillion lines to pad their numbers and are bad for the resource, let them know and let their clients know. Pretty simple solution. Push their clients towards more ethical operations and the guides will have to change or lose money. |
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Location: Smith Creek | So if Vilas allows trolling it will be more like SE Wisconsin? |
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| Well said FSF. |
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| I'm trying to sell a used boat that has 140 hours on the big motor and 15 minutes on the kicker. I guess that makes me "not a troller" so I am going to pass except to say that something needs to be in there for the really small lakes not getting trolled out the first month of the season. |
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Location: oswego, il | Junkman, those trollers on pewaukee must be a real pain for you!;-)
So if its not about the fishery and ethics its then about keeping people out? Kind of like the hp limit here in illinois and the arguements going to no wake instead.
Edited by ToddM 2/27/2013 11:39 AM
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| As I said in my original post, for me it is a matter of preference. My favorite time is in the fall when the recreational boaters are off the water, there is a nip in the air and fishermen have the lake to themselves. It is a time of peace and quiet. That is a rare commodity today. That will change. Late in October last year I was on the water for almost 12 hours on a Saturday, weather was cool but not cold and the only time you heard a motor was when someone was moving from one spot to the other, fishing. I was tired at the end of the day, I'm over 60 and had stood and cast all day but it was also very relaxing. I don't think it will be that way when you can motor troll. Again, no scientific reasoning for my preference. On the other hand, I have been out when it was single digits, the guides are freezing up and so are my hands. Maybe I would be happy to troll on those days. Who knows, has not been an option in the past. |
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Location: Racine, Wi | Flambeauski - 2/27/2013 11:20 AM
So if Vilas allows trolling it will be more like SE Wisconsin? :)
I don't suspect the trollers are going to flock to the northwoods if they allow trolling. Will there be a few boats doing it? Probably. Is it going to become the overrun mecca of trollers. Not likely.
My point is that any fisherman that is ethical will be eithical whether trolling or casting. We don't have any issues down here and there is incredible pressure. That pressure won't come to the northern Wisconsin lakes. You'll have a few guys that troll, and I suspect the majority will still cast. The end isn't coming if they open up trolling. |
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Location: Barrington, Il | jonnysled - 2/27/2013 9:35 AM
FSF - 2/27/2013 9:28 AM
#7 Trolling is about making it easier to catch fish. My fishing shows me that trolling is more effective on a per hour basis than casting and yields bigger fish. Many will make the argument that trolling is difficult blah dah dah. Nonsense. Trolling is easy, and not rocket science, nor a sweaty workout in the boat. Netting makes it easier to catch fish, and netting during spawning season makes it EVEN EASIER, so why not allow those methods? Because they make it TOO EASY OR BECAUSE OF TRADITION??
So dragging a sucker along a weededge or drop off is difficult? There is really no difference between dragging a sucker and pulling a lure.
And FSF, just because you came up with 8 reasons doesn't make you right.
^my favorite ... well put! ... bonus to reading the whole thing is adding the new word "uglify" to my vocabulary.
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| It's just nice to break up the day a troll for a little while, that way I can eat and drink more while fishing, got to keep my fat ass figure some how. I've even trolled for bass! |
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| lambeau - 2/27/2013 10:26 AM
unless NE WI imposes a 10mph speed-limit, the whole "boats buzzing around" argument is crap. there's already jetskis and power boats running around, and some guy trolling doesn't make any noise compared to the 200hp running WOT back and forth all afternoon.
the idea that allowing trolling will mean NE WI is suddenly overrun with fishermen isn't likely either. the same number of people will be fishing up there, it would just mean some of their boat's would be moving slowly.
chicken little's in rare form on this one!
You haven't been paying attention again. Everytime this subject comes up, a group of yahoos post saying they don't even fish WI anymore because of the backward regulations, no trolling, etc. They go to all these "enlightened" areas where they can fish as they please. If they haven't posted on this thread already, they will. And somewhere in there, they will claim how much money northern WI is losing due to it's archaic regs.
These yahoos are exactly the people that need to be kept OUT of northern WI. Specifically NE WI. If you would promise those guys won't show up in droves, some of the natives might vote to allow trolling. It is kind of an anti-immigration by regulation policy(unwritten in the books, but very effective). |
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Location: Barrington, Il | And anyway why does fishing have to be hard? How many of you deer hunters are sitting over bait waiting for a deer to come to you? I guess the effort there is dragging a 50# bag of corn into the woods. |
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| Also, we should try and remember ethics is one word and has a meaning, and esthetics is another word, and has a very different meaning.
And your esthetic, rarely if ever effects my ethics, but your ethics can truly screw with my esthetic. |
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Location: Elgin, IL | FSF - 2/27/2013 12:12 PM
lambeau - 2/27/2013 10:26 AM
unless NE WI imposes a 10mph speed-limit, the whole "boats buzzing around" argument is crap. there's already jetskis and power boats running around, and some guy trolling doesn't make any noise compared to the 200hp running WOT back and forth all afternoon.
the idea that allowing trolling will mean NE WI is suddenly overrun with fishermen isn't likely either. the same number of people will be fishing up there, it would just mean some of their boat's would be moving slowly.
chicken little's in rare form on this one!
These yahoos are exactly the people that need to be kept OUT of northern WI. Specifically NE WI. If you would promise those guys won't show up in droves, some of the natives might vote to allow trolling. It is kind of an anti-immigration by regulation policy (unwritten in the books, but very effective ).
OK...I promise. but can I still bring my Corona with limes? |
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Location: Racine, Wi | Why do the natives care if we can troll or not. They can troll already. Don't see it often, but have seen them trolling.
The ethics of others aren't going to change whether trolling or casting, or even pleasure boating. I can't tell you how many times I've had ski boats or jet skis fly over a spot I was fishing up north. Some people just don't know or don't care to know.
Trollers aren't going to ruin any asthetics. It's about the same as someone taking a pleasure cruise on the lake outside of them having baits pulling behind. I'm not so sure why this terrible trolling has been fine around the rest of the state, but Vilas and Oneida are off limits for some reason? I would have thought there would be droves of people calling to ban it if it were so horrible. You can go to the Round lake chain in Price county and troll. Yet, I have never seen a person trolling on any of the lakes around there that I fish. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | tuffy1 - 2/27/2013 12:25 PM
You can go to the Round lake chain in Price county and troll.
that sounds like a good plan ... |
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Location: oswego, il | So it is about keeping people out and lakes to yourselves. Thats settled. |
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| BowHunter - 2/27/2013 9:04 AM
Don't you guys think this could actually help the economy in Vilas/Oneida? Herbie and the boys seemed to get along pretty well in the trolling days.
Ask Herbie why he LEFT Northern Wisconsin some time. |
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| In ky you can troll unlimited lines, there are no issues. Most people prefer fo cast anyways. If part of the state allows trolling and some don't make it a statewide law that says you can troll 2-3 lines per person. |
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Location: Oconto Falls, WI | ToddM - 2/27/2013 12:40 PM
So it is about keeping people out and lakes to yourselves. Thats settled.
Todd I haven't seen much in the way yet of why trolling is needed? |
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| ToddM - 2/27/2013 12:40 PM
So it is about keeping people out and lakes to yourselves. Thats settled.
Is that such a bad thing? |
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Location: Smith Creek | Trolling is necessary so the average joe can catch fish like Gelb caught, but without all the work. |
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Location: Madison, WI | I haven't seen much in the way yet of why trolling is needed?
it simplifies regulations and enforcement.
it increases fishing opportunities without harming the resource.
keep in mind that the DNR supports this change (strongly), and those reasons are very important from their perspective.
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| Back to Todd's question, honestly, I have never been treated badly by a troller on the water. They always seem to "get it" as far as I can see with respect to giving the guy who's casting all the room required. Something interesting I picked up listening to Spencer Berman however in his LSC seminar. I don't remember the math he utilized or the charts, but for a clearly prime water to troll, he seemed to be saying that his catch casting over trolling was more than four to one. If I am remembering it right and his formula for comparrison is valid...that's a pretty good vote for casting. I am going to try trolling someday...I am just waiting until my testosterone drops to the appropriate level |
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