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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | STEVEN...you will. |
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Location: The desert | BN,
Serious question, at what water temps should musky anglers hang up the rods? |
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| I'm not asking that. I'm asking if you ever have? doesnt sound like it. What do guides do when a customer wants to pay them 300 dollars for a day of musky fishing? turn down the customer? |
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| STEVEN - 7/11/2012 9:53 AM
I have never killed a musky or a northern in over 80 degree temps. You all talk a big game, but has any of you done it? Probably not... I'm going to fish untill something happens. Quick pic and back in the water they go. If it was such an issue why wouldnt they just shut down musky fishing during these times if its such a harmful thing?
The ones that swim off and die later are just as dead as the ones that go belly up at the boat. As for why they don't shut down muskie fishing? How would THAT work? |
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| 1) I dont want them too, but for all of this talk about it being so terrible they would be pushing for something like that.
2) I know tons of guys who catch as many if not more muskys fishing for bass or jigging for walleyes. these guys hate muskies. face it! they've told me theyd rather have them out of the lakes. The take these muskies and flip them back into the water like we would a a little bass or northern that jumped on our large bait without even caring.
I'm just pointing out there could be a cause for it... and when I catch a fish and take care of it and get it back in, Ive never had a problem. But those stupid snakey northern even in cold water up in canada go belly up and i dont really care. The eagles gotta eat up there and they're dumb anyways |
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| Steven - 7/11/2012 10:08 AM
1) I dont want them too, but for all of this talk about it being so terrible they would be pushing for something like that.
2) I know tons of guys who catch as many if not more muskys fishing for bass or jigging for walleyes. these guys hate muskies. face it! they've told me theyd rather have them out of the lakes. The take these muskies and flip them back into the water like we would a a little bass or northern that jumped on our large bait without even caring.
I'm just pointing out there could be a cause for it... and when I catch a fish and take care of it and get it back in, Ive never had a problem. But those stupid snakey northern even in cold water up in canada go belly up and i dont really care. The eagles gotta eat up there and they're dumb anyways
Sled? Or someone else stirring the pot? lol |
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Location: The desert | I read a lot of "temps in the 80s or around 80". That doesn't give a definitive temp to stop. Is 77.4 degrees too warm? Is 79.9 still cool enough? |
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| Most of us posting on here probably know from experience high water temps are dangerous if you care about the fishery or the future of fishing. A lot of us probably know from experience, have fish die in the past or somehow never seeing the same fish again...hmm where did it go?? No matter what science tells you when you see it first hand that is all i need to know. When a lightly hooked, short fight and the fish wont swim away - all i need to see. Also, most dead fish sink, they do not float - i know from experience in the past... whatever floaters you are seeing there will be many more on the bottom. |
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Location: Contrarian Island | as has been discussed on here time and time again POINTER..it's not a definitive number nor can it be.... if water was 74 for a week and it got hot and flat for a day and surface temp shot to 80 one afternoon but we all know that 2 feet down it's a lot cooler then that is not what the problem is..it's SUSTAINED water and air temps that are HOT...it's really not that hard to figure out Pointer..or anyone else on here questioning what is too warm... there are those that are always going to say it's ok to fish for them no matter what...well those guys are only hurting the resource...killing fish... and there are those that protect and value the resources to make the smart decision to just lay off the muskies til it cools down..we have a league in madison with 38 guys and we choose not to fish for them a minimum 4 weeks out of the summer...why? cuz we don't like to see floaters..do you Pointer?
this isn't too hard to figure out..... but some make it more difficult to understand and comprehend than it needs to be....use good judgement...
pretty simple actually....
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Location: Black Creek, WI | http://www.centralwisconsinsports.net/2012/07/northern-pike-die-off-an-ominous-glimpse-of-the-future/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=northern-pike-die-off-an-ominous-glimpse-of-the-future These fish are dying without any angler interaction at all.....
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| So are these
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2012/07/10/environment... |
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| Wasnt it just a couple years ago (I think 2008) we had the coldest summer on record? What gives. |
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| 07 and 08 were great years in my boat. Correlation? 
I know a few guides who turn down customers when water gets too warm. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I know several as well. I'm one of 'em. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Let's look at it the way a biologist explained it to me.
At mid seventies, you are in the upper end of the 'preferred temp range' for muskies. Every degree from 75 up increases post capture stress related mortality. A reasonable estimate that 10% die after capture considering all factors including inexperienced angler issues would then go up some with each increase in a degree until the middle to upper 80's are reached, when depending on water quality, heat stress mortality can occur with no angling involved. Will every fish CPR'd in 80 degree water die? No, but enough will that it's conservation minded to not fish them when average water column temps are that high.Mid to upper 80's? More will die. So the sliding scale starts in to near 80 degree range where stressing the fish with lots of images and out of the water handling is a bad idea. Near 80 to 90, good idea to leave them alone.
Again...will every fish die that is caught... No, and that's a constant with CPR no matter the conditions. Will MORE die when the water is hot? Yes. Will fewer of that number die with quick capture and immediate release without taking the fish out of the water? Yes. Still too much of a risk for me. |
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| If you have to fish, and you're going to kill a fish because it's hot, at least kill one you can eat. I'm not even sure what the argument is about. Muskies are cold water fish, they are likely to die all on their own if it gets got enough. And it's hot enough. |
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| Muskies are actually classified as cool-water species, not cold-water, which would be lake trout, whitefish, etc. |
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| Guest - 7/11/2012 12:47 PM
Muskies are actually classified as cool-water species, not cold-water, which would be lake trout, whitefish, etc.
Preferred temperature range is what, 68 - 72? Classify them however you want, they weren't made to live in 85 degree water. |
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| Great topic. I was on the St.croix last night being a boater for the Junior bass club. I saw a big fish swirl and decided to take a cast. After a few casts I noticed the surface temp of 86.5. I put the rod down and just enjoyed the night. 3 bass that were caught did not make it all of them under 16 inches. I can only imagine what would have happened to a big old tothy critter. Last week on lotw on the angle i was seeing temps 75-78. I know it has been still up there this week and hot I hope the musky school takes that into consideration. Again great topic
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Location: Lake Country, Wisconsin | BMG - 7/11/2012 1:58 PM
Great topic. I was on the St.croix last night being a boater for the Junior bass club. I saw a big fish swirl and decided to take a cast. After a few casts I noticed the surface temp of 86.5. I put the rod down and just enjoyed the night. 3 bass that were caught did not make it all of them under 16 inches. I can only imagine what would have happened to a big old tothy critter. Last week on lotw on the angle i was seeing temps 75-78. I know it has been still up there this week and hot I hope the musky school takes that into consideration. Again great topic
hmm..what do you suggest the school does then BMG? lay down the rods? |
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| esoxaddict - 7/11/2012 12:54 PM
Guest - 7/11/2012 12:47 PM
Muskies are actually classified as cool-water species, not cold-water, which would be lake trout, whitefish, etc.
Preferred temperature range is what, 68 - 72? Classify them however you want, they weren't made to live in 85 degree water.
Then how come they're doing so well in Kentucky, TN, IL, MO, etc.? Muskies are native to KY, as in they've been there a long long time. Pretty sure if they weren't made to live in "hot" water they wouldn't be thriving there. Those little backwoods creeks in KY and TN surely get well into the 80s, if not 90s, yet they seem to be doing fine judging by the photos you see posted here, In-Fisherman, etc.
There's a big difference between "optimal temperature" and "thermal tolerance." In a nutshell, one explains the temperature at which a fish grows the fastest, without having to allocate a disproportionate amount of energy to other processes (like coping with thermal stress). The other is usually divided into an upper and lower extreme, above or below the fish finds it hard to survive.
The take-home message here is what Steve indicated: the RISK of mortality increases with water temperature. Doesn't mean the fish is going to die, but it might, perhaps more so now than at other times of the year.
By the way, muskies are far more resilient than we make them out to be... |
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| Guest - 7/11/2012 2:27 PM
esoxaddict - 7/11/2012 12:54 PM
Guest - 7/11/2012 12:47 PM
Muskies are actually classified as cool-water species, not cold-water, which would be lake trout, whitefish, etc.
Preferred temperature range is what, 68 - 72? Classify them however you want, they weren't made to live in 85 degree water.
Then how come they're doing so well in Kentucky, TN, IL, MO, etc.? Muskies are native to KY, as in they've been there a long long time. Pretty sure if they weren't made to live in "hot" water they wouldn't be thriving there. Those little backwoods creeks in KY and TN surely get well into the 80s, if not 90s, yet they seem to be doing fine judging by the photos you see posted here, In-Fisherman, etc.
There's a big difference between "optimal temperature" and "thermal tolerance." In a nutshell, one explains the temperature at which a fish grows the fastest, without having to allocate a disproportionate amount of energy to other processes (like coping with thermal stress ). The other is usually divided into an upper and lower extreme, above or below the fish finds it hard to survive.
The take-home message here is what Steve indicated: the RISK of mortality increases with water temperature. Doesn't mean the fish is going to die, but it might, perhaps more so now than at other times of the year.
By the way, muskies are far more resilient than we make them out to be...
Couldnt disagree more... how many fish do u catch a year? how many have u handled... IMO they are much less resilient than people think based on experience. |
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Location: Okoboji | ok we get it...hot not acceptable to fish...cool acceptable to fish....now spend your gas money and spare time buying more baits lol
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If the fish are dying anyways perhaps we should make a push to stop stocking, it would be pointless to stock fish that have a chance to die if the water temps get too high. Perhaps after a few years of cooler summers it could be revisited, but it would seem stop to fish is not enough if you care for the muskie, not stocking them at all at this point sounds best. BR |
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| Guest - 7/11/2012 2:27 PM
esoxaddict - 7/11/2012 12:54 PM
Guest - 7/11/2012 12:47 PM
Muskies are actually classified as cool-water species, not cold-water, which would be lake trout, whitefish, etc.
Preferred temperature range is what, 68 - 72? Classify them however you want, they weren't made to live in 85 degree water.
Then how come they're doing so well in Kentucky, TN, IL, MO, etc.? Muskies are native to KY, as in they've been there a long long time. Pretty sure if they weren't made to live in "hot" water they wouldn't be thriving there. Those little backwoods creeks in KY and TN surely get well into the 80s, if not 90s, yet they seem to be doing fine judging by the photos you see posted here, In-Fisherman, etc.
There's a big difference between "optimal temperature" and "thermal tolerance." In a nutshell, one explains the temperature at which a fish grows the fastest, without having to allocate a disproportionate amount of energy to other processes (like coping with thermal stress ). The other is usually divided into an upper and lower extreme, above or below the fish finds it hard to survive.
The take-home message here is what Steve indicated: the RISK of mortality increases with water temperature. Doesn't mean the fish is going to die, but it might, perhaps more so now than at other times of the year.
By the way, muskies are far more resilient than we make them out to be...
I guess that depends on your definition of "doing well"...
To me "doing well" would mean that they reach their maximum growth potential, are able to reproduce, and don't have shortened lifespans.
Just because they are stocked in great numbers and catchable does not mean they are "doing well"...
They may be more resilliant than some folks think, but if you've never had trouble releasing one in warm water, you haven't fished much in much warm water. |
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| Many of the inconsiderate people who still insist on fishing muskies in these extreme high temps don't know any better, which is one thing. THis being said there are way too many guys who SHOULD know better and just refuse to believe it or accept it because THEY want to fish still. This is sickening to me. Why would so many of us die-hards just quit fishing at this time of year for no reason?? Like many of you I eat, sleep, and breathe musky fishing. If I could I would do it 365 days a year. Why would I just give that up right now for no reason? Maybe because there is a legitimate reason.
I REALLY hope a lot of these guests are just playing around and messing with the rest of us. |
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| Ja Rule - 7/11/2012 4:45 PM
Many of the inconsiderate people who still insist on fishing muskies in these extreme high temps don't know any better, which is one thing. THis being said there are way too many guys who SHOULD know better and just refuse to believe it or accept it because THEY want to fish still. This is sickening to me. Why would so many of us die-hards just quit fishing at this time of year for no reason?? Like many of you I eat, sleep, and breathe musky fishing. If I could I would do it 365 days a year. Why would I just give that up right now for no reason? Maybe because there is a legitimate reason.
I REALLY hope a lot of these guests are just playing around and messing with the rest of us.
You should relax and not worry about it. Heck people smoke cigarettes even though it is going to kill themselves, of course they are not going to worry about fish. Like I mentioned before, if the fish are not surviving perhaps they should not be stocked. BR |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | That's ridiculous, Ben. I'm sure everyone appreciates the obvious statements pointing out some over the top counters, but enough already guys. Something to add of substance would be nice right now. |
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| Caught and released a 36 incher. Water temps probably around 83-85 degrees on pewaukee lake wisconsin. Got him in. Got some pics and watched him swim off as good as any other musky I've released. And dont tell me its going to be a floater, cuz I know what a floater looks like. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | why take a pic of a rat?? |
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